Ellen G White False Prophet?

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This anti-catholic woman is incorrect in just about everything, but do we have the right to call her a ‘false Prophet’? Or is that simply uncharitable?
 
PiousTemplar said:
This anti-catholic woman is incorrect in just about everything, but do we have the right to call her a ‘false Prophet’? Or is that simply uncharitable?
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You know I heard one time that she prophesied(back in the 19th century) a thawing in relations between the Catholic Church and the Protestant(broadly speaking) organizations. Even if she was a false prophet(being that she was out of step with the Church and the Holy See)in general, it doesn’t mean that all of her predictions were wrong. I would just focus on staying in line with the Church and warning others about her. What she was or wasn’t will become manifest in due time.
 
josephback said:
You know I heard one time that she prophesied(back in the 19th century) a thawing in relations between the Catholic Church and the Protestant(broadly speaking) organizations. Even if she was a false prophet(being that she was out of step with the Church and the Holy See)in general, it doesn’t mean that all of her predictions were wrong. I would just stay in line with the Church and warn others about her. What she was or wasn’t will become manifest in due time.
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Anyone can predict something like that though. It’s like me saying ‘I predict that there will be another tsunami’.
 
PiousTemplar said:
This anti-catholic woman is incorrect in just about everything, but do we have the right to call her a ‘false Prophet’? Or is that simply uncharitable?
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Let us call a spade a spade…and be truthful about it…is she was a false prophet, let it be so, there is no hiding the fact…be we should be charitable about it though.
 
josephback said:
You know I heard one time that she prophesied(back in the 19th century) a thawing in relations between the Catholic Church and the Protestant(broadly speaking) organizations. Even if she was a false prophet(being that she was out of step with the Church and the Holy See)in general, it doesn’t mean that all of her predictions were wrong. I would just focus on staying in line with the Church and warning others about her. What she was or wasn’t will become manifest in due time.
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Just because she predicted something that turned out later to have occurred doesn’t mean it came from the Divine. It could have come from the devil. Recalling what I read in The Rite…one way an exorcist discerns possession by an evil spirit is the knowing of the unknown. And this was also shown in the movie version, if you watched it.

The exorcist asked a trainee to place an object in a bag. While conducting the exorcism, the exorcist asks what is in the bag…and the object is correctly named by the possessed.
 
josephback said:
You know I heard one time that she prophesied(back in the 19th century) a thawing in relations between the Catholic Church and the Protestant(broadly speaking) organizations…
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i can`t vouch that Ellen G White personally prophesied the above; but if she did, her motive was skewed…
Back in the early 1970s, i came across an SDA book titled “Time Running Out”, by Arthur S Maxwell, a well known SDA promoter. It was full of the usual SDA “just around the corner” language. In a chapter titled “Reviving A Once-Dead Church”, Maxwell had no hesitation in branding the Catholic Church as THE BEAST. The IMAGE OF THE BEAST would be the greater part of Protestantism, which would not unite with Rome, but which would certainly become favourably disposed towards Rome.
Knowing the venomous rantings of EG White, i bet Maxwell was just repeating what she, and other assorted anti-Catholics (have) claimed.

Being deceived (Do you really think she was, post-Miller?) is one thing: outright lying is something else. Claiming that one of the Pope`s titles is “Vicar of the Son of God”, “Vicarius Filii Dei” in Latin, is a blatant lie. It just happens that the Latin letters add up to 666; and while no Pope has ever claimed that title, why let Truth stand in the way of religious gutter press sensationalism?
EG White was in it up to the proverbial hilt.

In our Lords day, His enrmies condemned whatever He did. Ditto for the Churchs enemies: EG White, H Armstrong, J Chick et al.

The Eighth Commandment still stands!
 
“I also saw that Old Jerusalem would never be built up.”
Early Writings Pg 75.
Hmmm, looks to me like Old Jerusalem has been built up.
One false prophecy makes a false prophet.
Mrs White said she would be alive when Jesus returns…
“Soon our eyes were drawn to the East, for a small black cloud had
appeared, about half as large as a man’s hand, which we all knew was the
sign of the Son of Man…we were changed and caught up together with
them to meet the Lord in the air.”
Early Writings pg 15-16.
Hmmm, the Lord has not returned. Is Mrs White still alive?
One false prophecy makes a false prophet.
Mrs White said in May of 1856 that some of those listening to her will live
to see the return of Jesus…
Some of those that were attending a meeting with her would become food
for worms, and some would live to become subjects of the seven last
plagues, and some others would “remain upon the earth to be translated
at the coming of Jesus.”
Testimonies for the Church, vol 1, pg 131-132.
Hmmm, that statement was made over 140 years ago. Has Jesus come yet?
Are any of those at that 1856 meeting still alive?
One false prophecy makes a false prophet.
Great happenings were to come to fruition at the end of the 2300 days,
which was in October of 1844. What were these great events? Why did they
not happen?
The Great Controversy, pg 421-422
One false prophecy makes a false prophet.
Satan is to bear our sins…
“As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them
upon the scapegoat, so Christ will place those sins upon Satan…”
The Great Controversy, Pg 422, 485-486
Hmmm, I thought Christ bore our sins…

“So also was Christ offered once to TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF MANY.”
Hebrews 9:28.

theotokos.co.za/adventism/bobsfals.html

ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw7.htm

ellenwhiteexposed.com/orion.htm

google.com/search?hl=en&biw=999&bih=492&q=ellen+white+visions+false+prophecies&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
 
pablope said:
Just because she predicted something that turned out later to have occurred doesn’t mean it came from the Divine. It could have come from the devil. Recalling what I read in The Rite…one way an exorcist discerns possession by an evil spirit is the knowing of the unknown. And this was also shown in the movie version, if you watched it.

The exorcist asked a trainee to place an object in a bag. While conducting the exorcism, the exorcist asks what is in the bag…and the object is correctly named by the possessed.
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I have not watched the movie. Interesting.

Back to the point, wasn’t Ellen G White one of the founders of the Seventh Day Adventists?
 
SunnaB16 said:
In our Lords day, His enrmies condemned whatever He did. Ditto for the Churchs enemies: EG White, H Armstrong, J Chick et al.

The Eighth Commandment still stands!
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I remember reading Chick comics when I was young. They have a very good way of turning people against Catholics and the Church. Somehow I resisted the “need” of evangelizing Catholics, I think it was fear.:o Now of course I know better.
 
Well let me say this someone tried to donate some of her writings to the parish library that I take care of and I lost no time in getting them out of there selling them at the half price bookstore and then buying something that was more appropriate for a Catholic Library of course I have not seen the people who donated them since our former priest who was very liberal left and was replaced with a priest who follows the magisterium of the church.
 
thequeen said:
Well let me say this someone tried to donate some of her writings to the parish library that I take care of and I lost no time in getting them out of there selling them at the half price bookstore and then buying something that was more appropriate for a Catholic Library of course I have not seen the people who donated them since our former priest who was very liberal left and was replaced with a priest who follows the magisterium of the church.
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Actually, I could see them doing quite a bit of good in a Catholic parish’s library. So long as they came with a disclaimer to be used for apologetic work only (how can one refute and disprove something they know nothing about?) and if any questions arise or any doubts form, to contact the parish priest or their spiritual advisor.

The parish I attend has a very extensive library, full of wonderful works. I could see a good deal of fruit coming from placing a few selected works arguing against Catholicism in a special section. But once again, with a notice informing one must be careful when reading.
 
josephback said:
I remember reading Chick comics when I was young. They have a very good way of turning people against Catholics and the Church…
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Off topic, but:
Sometime in the past week, i came across a site by an ex-Catholic (a good friend of the late B Brewer) who claimed that Chick was deceived by Rivera (and presumably, Todd). Considering how much damning evidence was uncovered by NON CATHOLIC publications, showing Rivera and Todd to be frauds, how could anyone honestly believe that Chick (along with his fellow travellers: Alamo, Szymanski, and the rest of em) was deceived. Its more a case of downright bigotry and mean-spiritedness; on a par with EG White. Add Charles Chiniquy to the list.
Birds of a feather.

Big Dummy:
Thanks for the fascinating links.

dsmantz:
Couldnt agree more. To be able to refute their accusations, we have to know what our enemies say about us. The anti-Catholic sects have Catholic literature......which they quote out of context: eg a Vatican document which supposedly claims that we Catholics have the Mass INSTEAD of Calvary. This claim was made in an SDA pamphlet (which i managed to lose). Someone in the SDA organisation knows that the document doesnt say that at all. Unrepentant slandering liars of this magnitude will have trouble entering Heaven.
 
Of course she was a false prophet… Otherwise SDA would be the true religion.
 
No, a false prophet is anyone who speak in the name of God, or Jesus, but falsely.

That’s a false prophet.

And also, those who speaks in the name of good, but falsely are also false prophets.

Including those who wrote self help books. We can never “help” ourselves, it is misguided. God can help us, not ourselves.

“Be happy and get rich” Now that is a false prophet.

It’s not uncharitable. It’s the truth.

Learn catholicism
everycatholicblog.blogspot.com/
 
Ellen White was a false prophet.

Summary of the Shut Door and what it was.
Summary of the seventh month movement & Ellen White’s involvement in it.

Time hack: 1818 - 1851
Location (s): New York & Maine
Players: George Storrs, Samual Snow, William Miller, Ellen White & her immediate religious contemporaries

William Miller ( Feb 15, 1792 - Dec 20, 1849 ) was a Baptist Minister who felt he had cracked the chronology code for the 2nd Advent of Christ…
…Miller initially realized this by 1818 via personal Bible study but did not go public with the information until August 1831.
…& in 1832 Miller submitted a series of 16 article via the “Vermont Telegraph” & was soon burried with interest by readers.

By 1834 there was so much interest in Miller’s theory he produced a synopsis of it in a 64 page tract - which was titled…
…“Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ, about the year 1843”.

Miller’s followers increased greatly from 1840 due to a religious named Joshua Vaughan Himes who was an experienced publsher…
…Himes, by 1842 had established the periodical paper “Signs of the Times” in effort to get the word out in-mass.
…It worked.

William Miller’s message was: Repent & get ready - for Jesus will come in Spring 1843 or 1844…
…That was the TOTAL of Miller’s message, there was NOTHING ELSE.
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Miller:
My principles in brief, are, that Jesus Christ will come again to this earth, cleanse, purify, and take posession of the saints, sometime between March 21, 1843 and March 21,1844.
As history aptly demonstrates, Jesus did NOT return in the spring of 1843 OR in the spring of 1844…
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…Spring 1843 = 1st disapointment / spring 1844 = 2nd disapointment.

Subsequent to the 2nd disapointment two members of the Millerite movement produced a compelling schema…
…That Christ would return on the 10th day of the 7th month using calendation which was alien to the Gregorian.
…The two men were George Storrs & Samuel Snow, their schema was called, The 7th Month Movement & True Midnight Cry.

Storrs and Snow presented their 7th month midnight cry view at the Adventist Campmeeting in early August 1844…
…August, September, October, a period of approximately 3 months was “the true midnight cry” whereas the Gospel was to be preached.
…Until the cry terminated 22 October 1844. Imagine someone screaming impending doom for 3 months and then it stops.
…That was the midnight cry.

William Miller rejected this view until literally the last moment when he finally gave in to Storrs and Snow…
…Miller wrote the following on October 6, 1844.
William Miller thanks Storrs:
Dear Bro. Himes, I see a glory in the seventh month movement which I never saw before. Thank the Lord, O my soul. Let Brother Snow, Brother Storrs and others be blessed for their instrumentality in opening my eyes. I am almost home Glory! Glory! Glory!!! I see that the time is correct…
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As is clearly demonstrated - the Seventh Month & Midnight cry was NOT via Miller, Miller only accepted this new teaching from Storrs and Snow…
…Storrs is credited as being the mentor of the founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses ( Charles Tazz Russel ).

Miller continued to believe in the 7th month movement after October 1844 and maintained the chance for salvation for others was past…
…Until Miller rejected the 7th month movement in early 1845 and started to preach against the “shut door” view held by the likes of Joseph Turner.
…Miller, Himes and the other initial Millerite leaders formulated the “Albany Adventist Conference” to combat “the shut door” or 7th month movement.

William Miller, Himes and the remaining original Advent leaders formulated the 1st Adventist conference to combat the abominations which came from the shut door group…
…Such as perfectionism, spirit trips ( Visions ) & forms of foot worship.
…It is at this approximate point Ellen White enters the time hack.

On one hand you have Miller along with the initial Millerite leaders pleading with the “shut door group” that the 7th month movement was false and people can still be saved…
…& on the other hand you have the shut door group claiming those who left the shut door had become babylon & salvation was over for the world.
…Ellen White was 100% on the “SHUT DOOR SIDE” & used her claimed visions to keep people in their error.
Ellen White:
Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said, that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of Jesus, and fell of teh path down into the dark wicked world below. It was just AS IMPOSSIBLE for THEM to get on the path again and go to the city AS ALL THE WICKED WORLD WHICH GOD** HAD** REJECTED.
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In case any missed it - Ellen White made a prophecy she claimed was from God…
…That it ( at that time ) was GAME OVER for all who rejected Miller’s false message.

Them = the Adventists WHO had given up on the 7th month movement…
…Once they permanetly gave it up their salvation was just as impossible as those who rejected the 7th month movement.

James White ( Ellen’s husband ) provides a summary of Ellen’s 1st vision and details WHY God gave it to her.
 
James White:
When she received her first vision Dec 1844, she and all the band in Portland Maine had given up the midnight cry, and shut door as being in the past. It was then that the Lord shew her in vision the error into which she and the band in Portland had fallen. She then
related her vision to the band, and about 60 confessed their error and acknowledged their 7th month experience to be the work of God.
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So, shortly after the Great Disapointment Ellen had given up on the 7th month movement and “SHUT DOOR”…
…But on December 1844 Ellen gets a vision from God which re-establishes her belief in the 7th month and shut door!

Least ANY not understand exactly what the “SHUT DOOR” doctrine was understood to be.
William Miller:
we have done OUR work in warning sinners, and in trying to awake a formal church. God in his providence has SHUT THE DOOR;
we can ONLY stir “one another up” to be patient; and be dilligent to make our calling and election sure.
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Notice the date - at this point Miller is STILL maintaining the Midnight CRY doctrine Storrs and Snow convinced him of…
…Approximately 2 weeks PRIOR to 22 October 1844!
James White:
From the ASCENSTION, to the SHUTTING OF THE DOOR in October 1844 Jesus stood wth widespread arms of love, and mercy ready to receive and plead the cause of EVERY sinner, who would come to God by him.
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Day Star sept 20:
The fall of babylon commenced in the spring of 43 when the churches all around, began to fall into a cold state, and was complete on the 7th month 44 when their last faint ray of hope was taken up from a wicked world church.
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This next quote will leave no doubt as to Ellen using her visions to teach MASSIVE error…
…It is the terminus of any argument that she didn’t.
Ellen White:
After I had the vision and God gave me light, he bade me to deliver it to the band, but I shrank from it. I was young, and I thought they would not receive it from me. I disobeyed the Lord and instead of remaining at home, where the meeting was to be that night. I got in a sleigh in the morning and rode three or 4 miles and there I found Joseph Turner. Here merely inquired how I was and if I was in the way of my DUTY. I said nothing, for I knew I was not. I passed up chamber and did not see him agan for two hours, when he came up, asked if I was to be at meeting that night. I told him no, He said he wanted to hear my vision and thought it DUTY for me to go home. I told him I should not. He said no more but went away. I thought and told those around me if I wnt I would have to come OUT AGAINST his views, THINKING HE BELIEVED WITH THE REST. I had not told any of them what God had shown me, and I did not tell them in what I should cross his track. Very early the next morning Joseph Turner called, said he was haste going out of the city in a short time, and wanted that I should tell him all that God had shown me in vision. It was with fear and trembling I told him all. After I had got through he said he had told out the same last evening. I REJOICED, for I had expected he was coming out against me. for all the while Ihad NOT HEARD ANY ONE SAY WHAT HE BELIEVED.
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Ironic, isn’t IT! At the point Miller is giving all he has of what little of his earthly life he’s got left to pleading with people to drop the “SHUT DOOR”…

…Ellen White’s VISION perfectly agrees with the very person Miller and the Albany Adventist Conference is trying to fight.
…Not only that but the Ellen states later in the same letter that the ONES TURNER didn’t convince the previous night she was able to.
…Once she told THEM what God “SHEW HER”!

Ellen continued to write “shut door” statements until 1850 -51…
 
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