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. The priests not saying that particular Mass would “swarm” the altar at Communion time to handle the crowd. .
They are still supposed to do that. If a parish has a pastor and an associate pastor, and if both are present on the Church grounds, they should both be distributing Holy Communion.

That is what happens at my parish, but not at my previous parish. If the associate pastor was saying Mass, the pastor would be there in the back, ready to greet people on the way out. Excuse me, but stil a stole on a go give out Holy Communion!!

Our parish as a 94 year old retired priest who lives in our rectory. Every Mass, day in and day out, he is there, giving out Holy Communion. ( Heck he even spends a 1/2 hour before each Mass hearing Confessions). THAT is an example of dedicating your life to Christ.
 
The problem is that people seem to think that they need to recieve under both species. If only the species of the hosts is being distributed during communion, then one priest could easily do it. Then people would complain that it took too long, but you know what I am sure sitting in the pews and taking a little bit more time to pray would be good. So many people seem to think mass has a time limit of 1 hr. Well, it doesn’t. When you are going up to communion, you are going up to receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ. Is this not the greatest honor. People will wait 6 hrs in front of stores to buy stuff when it comes out, but can people not wait for a few minutes to receive Our Lord? Only one species needs to be distributed and if you do that, then only one priest needs to distribute.
 
If only the species of the hosts is being distributed during communion, then one priest could easily do it. Then people would complain that it took too long, but you know what I am sure sitting in the pews and taking a little bit more time to pray would be good. So many people seem to think mass has a time limit of 1 hr. Well, it doesn’t. When you are going up to communion, you are going up to receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ. Is this not the greatest honor. People will wait 6 hrs in front of stores to buy stuff when it comes out, but can people not wait for a few minutes to receive Our Lord? Only one species needs to be distributed and if you do that, then only one priest needs to distribute.
Time might be an issue due to the schedule of the Masses and the parking situation. Many parishes schedule Masses only 1 1/2 hrs. apart. If the 9 am Mass was too long, the people arriving for the 10:30 am Mass would have no place to park. Mass needs to start on time, so the earlier ones cannot run late, or else the whole schedule for Sunday is messed up.
 
Of course parishes could adjust there mass times. Perhaps offer more so as to more evenly spread it out. A parish could have an 8 AM and an 11 AM. Or it could just do one at 10. Or do one at 8 10 and noon. Either way the parking is no excuse. Mass is not about being convenient.
 
Of course parishes could adjust there mass times. Perhaps offer more so as to more evenly spread it out. A parish could have an 8 AM and an 11 AM. Or it could just do one at 10. Or do one at 8 10 and noon. Either way the parking is no excuse. Mass is not about being convenient.
There are some parishes that are very large but do not have a lot of priests. Due to the size of the parish, they need to offer many Masses. For instance, I know of a parish that has 7:30 am, 9 am, 10:30 am, and 12 pm Masses. They really cannot change the schedule because they need to offer 4 Masses to accomodate the parishioners.
 
There are some parishes that are very large but do not have a lot of priests. Due to the size of the parish, they need to offer many Masses. For instance, I know of a parish that has 7:30 am, 9 am, 10:30 am, and 12 pm Masses. They really cannot change the schedule because they need to offer 4 Masses to accomodate the parishioners.
Ours has a 7:30 am, 9:30 am, 11:30 am, 1:30 pm, 6:30 pm & 8:30 pm Mass on Sunday and a 4:00pm & 6:00 pm Mass on Saturday. We don’t use any EMHC’s normally. On rare occasions I have seen 1 or 2 ushers used as EMHC’s (I’m sure they are trained as such) and/or seminarians from our parish if there is a true need.
 
Futhermore…I witnessed something that truly angered me…I watched a woman EMHC give a blessing to a child that was not yet old enough to receive Holy Communion…am I wrong to feel angered at this and to be upset that this is allowed to happen within Our Church???
Do you know if it was the woman’s child? If it was, it would be licit and no reason for anger.

I am allowed to bless my own children as their religious superior. As an occasional EMHC, I could do it when my wife comes up with them. However, I do not because I do not wish to give scandal to those who don’t know it’s my child. But it would not be illicit (even though in my personal opinion I don’t think it’s the right time for that, but I don’t make those decisions).

Andy
 
To michaeldaniels - Please, reflect on what it sounded like with you being angered when seeing a woman extraordinary minister of the Holy Eucharist, call down a blessing on a child, not her own. Please, give my your source for saying that anyone saying that a lay person may not ask Gods blessing for any one else. Admitted, it is not the blessing of one who has received Holy Orders, as that sacrament allows us to impart the blessing of Jesus through the power of orders. By this thinking you just condemned the prophets of the Old Testament who gave blessings. When you pray for others, you pray for blessings. Why in heavens name should it anger you. Your source please for saying this is not accepted.
Deacon Ed B
 
A special indult has been granted by the USCCB for Extraordinary Ministers to be used. To be an extraordinary minister, the pastor must submit the names of the men and or women to the bishop/archbishop for approval and then installed before the congregation.
I was approached by our Pastor and asked to “help out”. The parish nun handed me a booklet to memorize and one of the other parish priests said a prayer over me in Latin. I wasn’t installed in front of the congregation nor do I think that my name was even submitted to the Bishop.

Was any of this valid?
 
I was approached by our Pastor and asked to “help out”. The parish nun handed me a booklet to memorize and one of the other parish priests said a prayer over me in Latin. I wasn’t installed in front of the congregation nor do I think that my name was even submitted to the Bishop.

Was any of this valid?
In an emergency situation (ie if you were approached shortly before that Mass) it’s perfectly valid - not like there’d necessarily be time to let the Bishop know.

As far as I know there’s no requirement that you have to be installed in front of the congregation at all, nor that the Bishop need be informed in such emergency situations.

I’ve been in the odd church where at Communion time the priest has had to ask for a volunteer from the congregation - hardly had time to do more than say a brief prayer over them either.
 
Usually, “Lord, I am not worthy…” is the last thing the congregation kneeling in the pews says before communion. But at one Church I go to, the priest follows that with the above prayer, (“May the Body and Blood of Christ…” not quietly, but out loud, to the congregation. And we reply, “Amen.” Is that common, or a valid norm…?
There are certain prayers of the priest which are his private prayers: Munda cor meum before reading the Gospel, Per evangelica dicta after reading the Gospel, Per huius aquae during the mingling of the water with the wine, In spiritu humiliatis after the blessing of the bread and wine, Lava me, Domine during the lavabo (washing of the hands), the Haec commixitio as he places a fragment of the Host in the Chalice during the Fraction Rite, the Domine Iesu Christe or Perceptio Corporis before the priest elevates the Host (and Chalice) right before the Ecce Agnus Dei (“This is the Lamb of God…”), the Corpus Christi custodiat and Sanguis Christi custodiat during the priest’s own communion, and finally the Quod ore sumpsimus after Communion is completed (and preferably during the purification of the sacred vessels).

Also added to that list, if the priest so chooses, are the Benedictus es, Domine prayers over the bread and wine at the beginning of the Offertory. However, those can be said out loud, and the congregation responds Benedictus Deus in saecula (“Blessed be God forever”).

In each of these cases, though, the Missale Romanum gives the following instruction: secreto dicit/dicit secreto (which mean “he says in private”) and dicens secreto/secreto dicens (which mean “saying in private”). The English translation of the Missale translates these phrases in two ways: “says/saying in a low voice”, “says/saying inaudibly”. This is in clear contrast to the instruction to “say aloud” (clara voce dicit: he says in a loud/distinct/clear voice), which is given, for example, before the Ecce Agnus Dei.

So, to answer your question, it is not proper that the priest say those prayers out loud, with the intention of having the congregation hear him and expect they need to respond with “Amen”. This is for a few reasons:

  1. *]There is no rubric for them to respond Amen to those prayers.
    *]The rubrics say the prayers are to be said silently (in a “low” voice).
    *]The nature of these prayers does not demand the “consent” of the congregation! The priest is not speaking to us, he is speaking to God.
    *]There is no need to fill silence during the Mass with sound just for the sake of sound.
 
In an emergency situation (ie if you were approached shortly before that Mass) it’s perfectly valid - not like there’d necessarily be time to let the Bishop know.

As far as I know there’s no requirement that you have to be installed in front of the congregation at all, nor that the Bishop need be informed in such emergency situations.

I’ve been in the odd church where at Communion time the priest has had to ask for a volunteer from the congregation - hardly had time to do more than say a brief prayer over them either.
It was hardly an “emergency” situation. I was meeting with one of the parish deacons when the pastor stopped in briefly to chat about something with the deacon. While there, he asked me to become a EMHC. At first I declined but he explained how there was a need and how we are all unworthy so I eventually agreed.

A few days later, I set up a meeting with the parish nun – whom I met with a couple of weeks later. That’s when the other priest said a prayer over me in Latin. I’ve been now bringing our Lord to the homebound for about two years with no other installation in front of the congregation or anybody else for that matter.
 
I attended a Mass on Thanksgiving day some time ago at my parish. There were some visiting priests as well as all the priests of the parish, seven in all, concelebrating the Mass. When the people heard that there would be seven priests concelebrating, they made a joyful noise.

But when it came time to read the Scriptures, one laywoman got up and read all the readings herself, except the Gospel reading.

And when it came time for Communion, numerous ‘extraordinary’ ministers of holy Communion got up to distribute Communion. There were only about a hundred parishoners attending the Mass. Certainly seven priests can distrubute Communion to 100 or so persons.

It is very disconcerting to sit through a Mass where there are seven priests concelebrating, but where most of the roles go to laypersons. Most of the priests did very little; they just sat their while laypersons took roles that should have gone to them.
 
It’s not a priestly role to read the first and second reading – that belongs to the instituted lector or a reader. Only if there is no instituted lector or reader does a priest read those readings.

OTOH, it unconscionable that with 7 priests in the sanctuary, EMHCs still presented themselves. They already should know that when there are enough ordained men and instituted acolytes available that they are to stay put.

I fought exactly this when we had an ordination in our parish. The bishop insisted that there be no EMHCs at the ordination (10 or 11 priests concelebrating) but when it came to the newly ordained priest’s first Mass I had a fight on my hands.

I was chair of the liturgy committee at the time and doing the scheduling. I knew there would be at least 6 of the priests left to concelebrate with the newly ordained priest so refused to schedule EMHCs (we normally use 3 & 1 priest on Sunday). Everyone disagreed with me, even the new priest.

Since we serve as a hub for priests traveling to various missions we sometimes find ourselves with a few concelebrants at Sunday Mass. I was forbidden from instructing EMHCs to stay in their pews if there were enough concelebrants. I was actually yelled at for saying that that flew in the face of every document that had come out of Rome. The pastor would rather sit down than not have every scheduled EMHC come up to help with distribution of Communion.
 
I attended a Mass on Thanksgiving day some time ago at my parish. There were some visiting priests as well as all the priests of the parish, seven in all, concelebrating the Mass. When the people heard that there would be seven priests concelebrating, they made a joyful noise.

But when it came time to read the Scriptures, one laywoman got up and read all the readings herself, except the Gospel reading.

And when it came time for Communion, numerous ‘extraordinary’ ministers of holy Communion got up to distribute Communion. There were only about a hundred parishoners attending the Mass. Certainly seven priests can distrubute Communion to 100 or so persons.

It is very disconcerting to sit through a Mass where there are seven priests concelebrating, but where most of the roles go to laypersons. Most of the priests did very little; they just sat their while laypersons took roles that should have gone to them.
When an EMHC is ASSIGNED to a certain mass, it is their DUTY to be there. It is the responsibility of the priest to make the determination whether they are needed or not.
 
A special indult has been granted by the USCCB for Extraordinary Ministers to be used. To be an extraordinary minister, the pastor must submit the names of the men and or women to the bishop/archbishop for approval and then installed before the congregation.
Really? I’m pretty sure that all of the parishes I have been to have not done this. Of course, that doesn’t make it right.

Is the Bishop supposed to do some sort of investigation on them or something?

Also, is there a document that says this? This is really interesting to me, and it also bugs me to see 8 EMHC’s for 120 people.
 
First off, I am an EMHC.
Second off, my church has only 2 priests and 0 deacons
We use 7 EMHCs and 1 priest to distribute communion at each mass, at which there are usually 150+ people attending.

could we do with 3 EMHCs? maybe but Mass would be greatly extended, and the 10:30 would probably be moved to noon or later(the first mass is at 8:00). The problem would be that then the 8 would be flooded becuase people generally have other things to do at 1 in the afternoon. And no we do not have 45 minute masses. The 8 is the smaller, and it is usually about an hour and 15. 10:30 is usually out at noon. the 5:30 PM on Saturday and on Sunday is about an hour and 15 as well

as far as the Priests, one is 69, and has a lot of health issues(he had a pig valve put in his heart last year) and is waiting for the Bishop to allow him to retire(the Bishop has thus far said he cant yet, due to lack of replacements) The other is in his mid 70s, and was brought out of retirement that was due to health issues.

The only time either has sat out is when the older one had a broken arm, and still was saying mass because, quite frankly, he had no replacement. But he was unable to distribute for obvious reasons.
 
First off, I am an EMHC.
Second off, my church has only 2 priests and 0 deacons
We use 7 EMHCs and 1 priest to distribute communion at each mass, at which there are usually 150+ people attending.

could we do with 3 EMHCs? maybe but Mass would be greatly extended, and the 10:30 would probably be moved to noon or later(the first mass is at 8:00). The problem would be that then the 8 would be flooded becuase people generally have other things to do at 1 in the afternoon. And no we do not have 45 minute masses. The 8 is the smaller, and it is usually about an hour and 15. 10:30 is usually out at noon. the 5:30 PM on Saturday and on Sunday is about an hour and 15 as well

as far as the Priests, one is 69, and has a lot of health issues(he had a pig valve put in his heart last year) and is waiting for the Bishop to allow him to retire(the Bishop has thus far said he cant yet, due to lack of replacements) The other is in his mid 70s, and was brought out of retirement that was due to health issues.

The only time either has sat out is when the older one had a broken arm, and still was saying mass because, quite frankly, he had no replacement. But he was unable to distribute for obvious reasons.
I’m sorry but 150 people doesn’t require 8 people to distribute Communion. We easily do it with the priest and 1 EMHC distributing the Hosts and 2 EMHCs for the chalices. Rarely does Mass extend beyond an hour even with the Ordinary sung and 4 hymns. Granted the Homily is never more than 10 minutes.
 
First off, I am an EMHC.
Second off, my church has only 2 priests and 0 deacons
We use 7 EMHCs and 1 priest to distribute communion at each mass, at which there are usually 150+ people attending.
For 150 people you could easily get by with 1 priest and 1 EMHC. If you offer the precious blood as well then I could see adding a few more EMHCs. But 7 really seems excessive.
could we do with 3 EMHCs? maybe but Mass would be greatly extended, and the 10:30 would probably be moved to noon or later(the first mass is at 8:00). The problem would be that then the 8 would be flooded becuase people generally have other things to do at 1 in the afternoon. And no we do not have 45 minute masses. The 8 is the smaller, and it is usually about an hour and 15. 10:30 is usually out at noon. the 5:30 PM on Saturday and on Sunday is about an hour and 15 as well
Reducing the numbers of EMHCs used at Mass would add an hour and a half to the Mass? The 10:30 would have to be pushed back to noon? It would not add that much time to Mass if one person communed 300 people. Or am I just misunderstanding you here?
as far as the Priests, one is 69, and has a lot of health issues(he had a pig valve put in his heart last year) and is waiting for the Bishop to allow him to retire(the Bishop has thus far said he cant yet, due to lack of replacements) The other is in his mid 70s, and was brought out of retirement that was due to health issues.

The only time either has sat out is when the older one had a broken arm, and still was saying mass because, quite frankly, he had no replacement. But he was unable to distribute for obvious reasons.
They sound like very dedicated priests. And needing help distributing communion because of health reasons is very understandable.

James
 
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