Emmanuel Macron wins French presidential election in landslide

[Seamus_L]

Pretty sad that France is going to need an even bigger wake up call than the 246 people killed by Islamic terrorists since 2012, or the massive African riots that swept through France in 2005.

 

[Xystus]

I have seen Macron described as a “centrist” and I also read online that he was a member of the Socialist Party from 2006 to 2009. Is Socialism considered a centrist ideology in France?

 

[Regular_Atheist]

I have seen Macron described as a “centrist” and I also read online that he was a member of the Socialist Party from 2006 to 2009. Is Socialism considered a centrist ideology in France?

It’s not that socialism is considered centrist, it’s that the Socialist Party is very centrist in France and is really socialist in name only. Hollande introduced all kinds of austerity and terrible labour law reforms that certainly weren’t “socialist.”

 

[Ridgerunner]

You’d be surprised what people say and want. A lot of Black Americans murmur about how under segregation, they at least had the nuclear family.

Interesting to think about this. If I had to guess, I would guess the only good thing about segregation was that it compelled states to institute black colleges, many of which still exist and are still largely black. But for those colleges, one doubt as many blacks would have gained an education as did. And surely, it gave a lot of highly-educated blacks the opportunity to be professors when they otherwise would not have been given that chance.
Would those few have been better off without exception if segregation didn’t exist? I don’t think so. Things would have simply gone to the more “northern” version of segregation that was every bit as rigid, and they still would not have had the opportunity to get degrees or professorships.

As to the largely black colleges of today, why do blacks go to them if there’s not something they think is gained by it? I’m not supporting segregation here, but I sure wouldn’t support forcing them to more fully integrate in the absence of our knowing why they’re still popular with blacks.

 

[jesucated]

Interesting to think about this. If I had to guess, I would guess the only good thing about segregation was that it compelled states to institute black colleges, many of which still exist and are still largely black. But for those colleges, one doubt as many blacks would have gained an education as did. And surely, it gave a lot of highly-educated blacks the opportunity to be professors when they otherwise would not have been given that chance.
Would those few have been better off without exception if segregation didn’t exist? I don’t think so. Things would have simply gone to the more “northern” version of segregation that was every bit as rigid, and they still would not have had the opportunity to get degrees or professorships.

As to the largely black colleges of today, why do blacks go to them if there’s not something they think is gained by it? I’m not supporting segregation here, but I sure wouldn’t support forcing them to more fully integrate in the absence of our knowing why they’re still popular with blacks.

I know you’re not trying to come out in support of segregation here, but the arguments you are making echo much of the language used in opposition to desegregation in Brown vs. Board of Education.

As to why HBCUs are still chosen by a number of students, the answers are no doubt myriad. I would suggest reading Ta-Nehisi Coate’s “Between the World and Me” for a compelling look at some of those reasons.

 

[xNoOnex]

So I guess we should just give up?

I’ve never said that nor did I imply that. I’m not sure why objecting to the use of land mines on our border implies that.

We don’t live in a world where our only choices are extreme and binary.

I can’t think of anyone except for whining white Western liberal males who WANT to be a minority.

If you think it’s a cakewalk, you’re dead wrong…

Where did I say I want to be a minority? Or that I think it’s easy? I know that it isn’t.

I think racial/cultural pride is pointless, given that we’re closer genetically than most other creatures, and few of us actually have pure “cultural” roots. Especially since people often turn that pride into hatred.

It’s dumb when blacks do it, too, or when Asians and Latinos put themselves under on vast umbrella.

I’ll take that as you conceding the point.

They you conceded your point earlier.

The problem is we can’t always figure that out. Even if we could, letting everyone in isn’t the solution. Even Pope Francis has said as much.

Correct. But he also said we can’t just reject them, either.

Throwing around the 3rd Reich is a garbage term. My grandfather fought the Third Reich on the front lines, and believe me, if they were around, all of these whiny liberal groups would vanish into thin air and many of them would probably JOIN the Reich itself just to save face.

When I refer to the Third Reich, I’m not referring to the average soldier. I’m referring to the high command, which manipulated peoples anger and turned it into something that hurt people.

Finding new genders on tumblr would be the last thing on everyone’s mind…

What does this have to do with anything?

Oh, I see. You want social media points for mentioning communists. :bighanky: Well, I gotta give that to you considering the history of communism isn’t taught in American schools anymore because its a key part of the left wing agenda.

…Social media points?

I don’t know that it’s a virtue, but it is allowed under the right circumstances. If you force entry onto someone else’s property, you may as well count your life as forfeit.

Someone wandering in the wrong place, simply because they live in a connected woodland and got turned around shouldn’t count their life forfeit. A door to door sales man or a missionary shouldn’t either.

Then stop acting like an SJW.

Not everyone on the “left” is a “SJW”. Not everyone on the “right” is a “fascist”.

Let me put it to you like this: If minorities don’t their act together in MOST cases, they will soon be begging for the return of a white majority if it ever goes away. I can say that if you ask most Arabs and Muslims in Israel, for instance, they don’t want an Arab monarchy and they sure as ice do NOT want sharia law.

Right. But at the same time, I’m sure many Arabs and Muslims in Israel are critical of some of Israel’s actions.

You’d be surprised what people say and want. A lot of Black Americans murmur about how under segregation, they at least had the nuclear family.

Maybe. But I’d also imagine those black Americans weren’t too keen on being treated like second class citizens.

 

[Brassring]

It’s France.

 

[Sy_Noe]

More disgusting when I basically report the news or what could happen---- or more disgusting when radical Muslim terrorists perform it?

I’ll just assume you feel the same way if tornadoes were to kill people in TX, OK, and other red states.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’ve never said that nor did I imply that. I’m not sure why objecting to the use of land mines on our border implies that.

We don’t live in a world where our only choices are extreme and binary.

Where did I say I want to be a minority? Or that I think it’s easy? I know that it isn’t.

I think racial/cultural pride is pointless, given that we’re closer genetically than most other creatures, and few of us actually have pure “cultural” roots. Especially since people often turn that pride into hatred.

It’s dumb when blacks do it, too, or when Asians and Latinos put themselves under on vast umbrella.

They you conceded your point earlier.

Correct. But he also said we can’t just reject them, either.

When I refer to the Third Reich, I’m not referring to the average soldier. I’m referring to the high command, which manipulated peoples anger and turned it into something that hurt people.

What does this have to do with anything?

…Social media points?

Someone wandering in the wrong place, simply because they live in a connected woodland and got turned around shouldn’t count their life forfeit. A door to door sales man or a missionary shouldn’t either.

Not everyone on the “left” is a “SJW”. Not everyone on the “right” is a “fascist”.

Right. But at the same time, I’m sure many Arabs and Muslims in Israel are critical of some of Israel’s actions.

Maybe. But I’d also imagine those black Americans weren’t too keen on being treated like second class citizens.

Just to be clear: I don’t want to imply you are saying something you aren’t. Rather, these are just questions.

No one wants to be treated like a second class citizen or is keen on it, which is why a lot of people Israel including Muslims and Arabs do not want sharia, a monarchy or religious rule.

 

[Vouthon]

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/i...00-france0508.jpg?uuid=bPgUuDN_EeerA6op9lbxPg

 

[ATraveller]

I’ve seen a lot of cheering in the media that Macron won as they did when Rutte was re-elected in the Netherlands and van der Bellen beat Hofer in Austria. Let’s face the fact they put too much hope in these people. If they fail, and I suspect they will, some very dark times for Europe are ahead.
The bolded part is why I love Peter Hitchens, the only political commentator in the mainstream I’m aware of who consistently alludes to the fact morality is what sustains a civilization. It’s probably also why he never got the same attention and treatment as his militant atheist brother did from the mainstream media.

Unless Emmanuel Macron really does have some brilliant plan for coping with all these difficulties, Ms le Pen (or someone like her), and the Front National (or something like it) will be waiting for him five years hence, bigger, more discontented, more experienced. Its day may well come.
And here’s the problem. Under universal suffrage democracy, there has been a collusion between leaders and voters for a long time. We, the voters, have pretended to believe that our chosen party will liberate us from our woes, make genuine and profound changes for the better in our lives. They have pretended to do so. In truth, for many years, they have not fulfilled their promises, and we have not really expected them to do so. But in the long calm prosperity that endured from 1950 till about 2000 it didn’t matter very much.
Now it does. That prosperity is evaporating. How will we afford homes? Where are the secure jobs? Will our children end up as coolies, toiling in sweatshops for pittances like their Chinese coevals? Will anyone be able to afford to retire? Can the welfare state, which we have grown used to, survive? Will we be replaced by robots, or by a new immigrant from the Middle East? Will the annual holidays we have taken for granted still be affordable? And what about these wars of choice our leaders keep starting? Nothing, large or small, looks secure. And so the ‘we’ll pretend to believe your promises’ arrangement is breaking down.
Worse, what I have long regarded as the idolatrous false religion of politics, under which governments took over from God as the object of petitions and the main source of bounty, is actually collapsing. It is morally unsustainable. The voters, repeatedly deceived by false election pledges and having had their hopes repeatedly raised and dashed, now assume not only that they are being lied to but that their leaders are mostly in it for the money.
They see the enormous fortunes amassed by the Clintons and by Anthony Blair since they left office, they see that Barack Obama, for a single speech to a Wall Street concern, can be paid as much as he earned in a year as President of the USA, and they feel a righteous disgust.

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/05/a-few-thoughts-o-the-outcome-of-the-french-presidential-election.html

 

[Seamus_L]

She’s a liberal who actually recognizes the Islamic threat facing France. People who support abortion and homosexual rights as she does, sure ain’t right wing conservatives.

 

[Xystus]

…[Ginormous-Map-Removed-Because-I-Find-Them-To-Be-Obnoxious]…

I don’t know that anybody denies that Macron won by quite a healthy margin but maps like these can be deceiving.

check out this one that makes it seem like Donald Trump won by a large margin.
http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/3141-trump-counties.png

 

[Estevao]

The New York Times isn’t “failing”. Their subscriptions have quadrupled and they are stronger than ever.

Le Pen was the president of the French National Front, established by her father as a “far right” party and described as such in encyclopedias and history books. Every respected news publication in the world describes her as being “far right” as far as I have been able to check. To describe her otherwise would be inaccurate, it seems.

Which publications do you consider “real” news?
And how do they describe her?

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Although I have very fundamental disagreements with this outlet, I would not consider them fake news like I do the failing New York Times and Very Fake News. They point out how in fact Madame Le Pen is not far-right and has many socialist political positions.

nationalreview.com/article/447034/french-election-marine-le-pen-far-right-immigration

Moreover, it was a total insult to my intelligence to refer to Le Pen as “far-right” every single time they had to reference her. It was borderline-OCD.

I can see why they did this however. Main stream news outlets like the failing New York Times and the Pravda on the Potomac are now the blogs of incredibly rich billionaires Carlos Slim and Jeff Bezos. These persons have a vested interest in propping up globalist puppets like the Rothschild banker Macron, and are going to do all they can to attack an outsider like Le Pen. But for somebody like me who is more concerned with the truth of the matter instead of the business interests of plutocrats like Slim and Bezos, I do not put any stock in whatever their blogs (NYT and WaPo) say about Le Pen. Instead I simply analyze her political positions and compare them to standard definitions of left vs right.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Nor is exaggeration and bigotry.

Agreed, but reporting on the facts and finding common sense patters is neither exaggeration nor bigotry.

Mass movement of people without regulation (which I thought Western leftists were in love with) causes all kinds of problems.

Now, I realize that doesn’t get brownie points on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter and does not allow Catholics who have to find that one issue to agree with the rabid regressive left on in order to be exempt from being called a racist or get their approval to do this and allow themselves to be scandalized, but it is what it is.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The New York Times isn’t “failing”. Their subscriptions have quadrupled and they are stronger than ever.

Le Pen was the president of the French National Front, established by her father as a “far right” party and described as such in encyclopedias and history books. Every respected news publication in the world describes her as being “far right” as far as I have been able to check. To describe her otherwise would be inaccurate, it seems.

Which publications do you consider “real” news?
And how do they describe her?

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If they are so well off, why are they renting out space in their building?