End of Altar Girls?

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pnewton:
Rome has left such judgements to the priest and bishops.

In a volutary organization, it is not a hypothetical impossibility (unless you abadon all logic) because no on could volunteer, and surely to few could volunteer.

Unless one is a priest or bishop, his judgement in this matter is irrelevant.
Pardon me?

The simple fact is enough effort is put in recruiting men and boys to serve, there will never be a shortage to fill all the slots except in some extremely odd situation – like a woman’s prison.

Read that again. “Never.”

P.S. Serving at the altar AIN’T always voluntary. MANY altar boys were (and are) conscripted for service at the altar…NOT a bad idea in this day and age…
 
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Franciscum:
Read that again. “Never.”

P.S. Serving at the altar AIN’T always voluntary. MANY altar boys were (and are) conscripted for service at the altar…NOT a bad idea in this day and age…
I understand the word “never”, I just disagree. Since RS allows for girls to serve, then they can serve.

As far as conscription, how do you forsee forcilble service to the altar being done? Do you think it would be conducive to vocations?
 
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Franciscum:
Says your opinion and nothing more…
I responded to your message with the preface: “I respectfully disagree”. I could have dismissed your words, like you did mine, in like un-charitable and un-Christian fashion. After all, your words deserve no more credence than your willing to ascribe to others’, including mine. Your disrespectful response was simply juvenile - I thought I was responding to an adult - my bad!
 
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rcballi46:
I responded to your message with the preface: “I respectfully disagree”. I could have dismissed your words, like you did mine, in like un-charitable and un-Christian fashion. After all, your words deserve no more credence than your willing to ascribe to others’, including mine. Your disrespectful response was simply juvenile - I thought I was responding to an adult - my bad!
Type as much as you want. It dosen’t change the fact that your previous posting was based on nothing more than your own personal opinion and nothing more.

I will admit. Your “may bad” comment gives me the feeling that I am reading the work of a teenager at best.
 
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pnewton:
I understand the word “never”, I just disagree. Since RS allows for girls to serve, then they can serve.

As far as conscription, how do you forsee forcilble service to the altar being done? Do you think it would be conducive to vocations?
This thread was* never* a matter of if females are allowed to serve. They are. They was a matter of the only people that should serve are those males who might be fostering a vocation to the priesthood or diaconate…

The answer to your question about conscripted altar boys is “yes, in a great many cases.”
 
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Franciscum:
Please don’t bring that sewage in here. I suggest Harry Crocker’s book (“Triumph:” I believe) on the history of the Church as a starting point in learning about the Church’s history…

While I don’t care for the posting you were replying to, I get darned tired of people unfairly vilifying the Church simply because they lack an understanding of history.
I would NEVER vilify the Church, then or now. It is the **Crusader’s **behavior to which I am referring, not the Church. I suggest that YOU read the history of the crusades more closely.

deborah1313
 
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deborah1313:
I would NEVER vilify the Church, then or now. It is the **Crusader’s **behavior to which I am referring, not the Church. I suggest that YOU read the history of the crusades more closely.

deborah1313
It gets very old hearing misinformation about both the Crusades and the Inquisition. You need to read a bit of history (from reputible sources) before you regurgitate the same old legends.
 
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Franciscum:
. They was a matter of the only people that should serve are those males who might be fostering a vocation to the priesthood or diaconate."
Hence the attempt to exclude some mentally handicapped boys from continuing their faithfilled service at the altar.
 
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pnewton:
As far as conscription, how do you forsee forcilble service to the altar being done? Do you think it would be conducive to vocations?
I can tell you how it was done with my son at our parish. One Sunday Father told me that it was time for my son to start serving. He told me to send him to him before Mass the following week to start training. He repeated this to my son. My son showed up the next week, served Mass as an extra (didn’t do much besides process and recess for a couple weeks) and that was that. We have training once a year but the more experienced servers show the young ones what to do as they go along.

Coincidently, the same thing happened to the same son, the same month at his Catholic school. The deacon who coordinated the school Masses told him that he needed to learn to serve and started putting him in the rotation.

As far as vocations go, I think there are boys who are not self-advancing who wouldn’t volunteer unless “pushed”. Who’s to say that good vocations wouldn’t come from boys with that temperment/personality? If boys starts seeing service at the altar as expected and normal, we wouldn’t be having these discussions. 🙂
 
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fix:
Please. You want to make the rule the exception and the exception the rule. No one advocates your line of reasoning and you know it. As a general principle altar servers can be a good way to foster vocations to the priesthood.

I can play your game too. Since the start of girl altar boys we have a vocations crisis, so it would be reasonable to assume the influx of female servers has caused fewer vocations. Seem reasonable?
Sorry, not reasonable at all. There was a vocations crisis waaaaaaaay before female altar servers were allowed. Yes, I know I’m taking what you said seriously— just want to make my comment before someone takes your “suggestion” that girls are responsible for the vocations crisis as a fact.

Seems resonable to me that having only male servers was not the great vocations fostering technique that so many here claim it would be if girls no longer served.

Your comment :“As a general principle altar servers can be a good way to foster vocations to the priesthood.” is a good observation. Note, however, can be, not must be.
 
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kmktexas:
I can tell you how it was done with my son at our parish. One Sunday Father told me that it was time for my son to start serving.
Thanks for the post. I firmly believe that parents have an obligaiton to have their boys serve, and in the case of a Catholic school, the teachers and principals. I do not know in a parish setting what type of punishment should be meted out to the parents and boys who refuse.
 
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kmktexas:
I can tell you how it was done with my son at our parish. One Sunday Father told me that it was time for my son to start serving. He told me to send him to him before Mass the following week to start training. He repeated this to my son. My son showed up the next week, served Mass as an extra (didn’t do much besides process and recess for a couple weeks) and that was that. We have training once a year but the more experienced servers show the young ones what to do as they go along.

Coincidently, the same thing happened to the same son, the same month at his Catholic school. The deacon who coordinated the school Masses told him that he needed to learn to serve and started putting him in the rotation.

As far as vocations go, I think there are boys who are not self-advancing who wouldn’t volunteer unless “pushed”. Who’s to say that good vocations wouldn’t come from boys with that temperment/personality? If boys starts seeing service at the altar as expected and normal, we wouldn’t be having these discussions. 🙂
Outstanding. My guess is stories like your’s were once quite common. Now they are rather rare due to the pressures applied by the sexist-feminist special interest groups…
 
altar boys are only to lead to priestly vocations? Hmmm, I’m looking at an old photo of some Black altar boys at a time when no seminary in the USA accepted Blacks. I guess this is a new custom!!
 
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rcballi46:
… the arguement that the role should be reserved for boys ‘because it fosters vocations for the priesthood’ is poor at best. After all, both boys (those interested in ordination or not) and girls (those interested in a religious vocation, or not) should be able to serve
But you offer no argument at all.
 
Andreas Hofer:
But you offer no argument at all.
Well, the priesthood is for men only, and the whole purpouse for “altar boys” is to eventually get them thinking of entering the priesthood.
 
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katherine2:
altar boys are only to lead to priestly vocations? Hmmm, I’m looking at an old photo of some Black altar boys at a time when no seminary in the USA accepted Blacks. I guess this is a new custom!!
Only to those without a working knowledge of Catholic history in the USA. Black American seminarians (and a great many others) were long educated and ordained in Europe before returning to the USA as priests. I know that Fr. Augustus Tolton was ordained in Rome in 1886 and served in the USA. He also served as an altar boy in the USA before departing for Rome and the seminary.

You keep trying to play the race card, and each time you do you appear to be a racist…
 
Thank you to all those who have participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.
 
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