Are you saying that Church was racist prior to Vatican II?
Straw man argument.
Church as never taught this.
Read the letters of St. Paul.
I never said that priests were sinless.
Never said that.
Can’t say that was my mom and dad’s experiences. Stop posting falsehoods.
Yes, racism existed in the Catholic Church, prior to the 60’s. Racism in our society was very much in place.
Really, does the 50,000 kids who died in Vietnam, for nothing, ring a bell?
The Church taught that there was no salvation outside the Catholic Church. When I grew up in the 50’s and early 60’s, going to Catholic school, we were forbidden to step foot inside a protestant Church. Luckily my mother wasn’t as narrow minded, and ignored the priest and allowed me to join the cub scouts, even though it was held in the protestant church which was right next to our church. Other kids I went to Catholic School with, weren’t so lucky.
You’re telling us the Church hasn’t read the letters of St. Paul?
No, but you seem to think the time before Vatican II was so much better than today.
But thats what life was like for many kids going to Catholic School, before Vatican II.
Well I lived in that time period before Vatican II, and what I’m telling you is what myself and many Catholics experienced.
It’s sad, Jim, that you assume this would mean moving backwards from the 60’s instead of forward.
It’s interesting that you glance over this point in favor of pointing up the “freedoms” gained. Including freedoms such as:
Great cartoon!
Jim, don’t you think you’re over-reacting a little bit?
The good O days were not necessarily all that good, if you actually look at them with the perspective that not everyone lived them.
Don’t confuse political correctness for freedom, its not.
Again, political correctness is not what freedom is about.
If kids don’t pray before leaving their homes, the point is mute.
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Memorizing the Baltimore Catechism wasn’t good catechesis either. Kids that didn’t attend Catholic School, were more clueless about the faith than many kids are today. Back in pre-Vatican II days, the majority of Catholic families sent their kids to Catholic Schools, which were run by nuns. Their education in the faith was a far cry from the kids who merely went to CCD.
I didn’t say its a perfect world.
Well at least boys aren’t taught that that they’ll go blind if they play with it, or girls will get pregnant, if you swim in a swimming pool with boys.
Back before Vatican II, women were often told by their priest, to offer the beating their husbands gave them as a sacrifice. It would be a mortal sin to leave their husband and it was scandalous.
Allowing married men, would fix this problem in 1 year.
Agree, which is the point I’m actually trying to make to the OP’er.
We’re probably moving toward a time of totalitarianism, if history tells us anything.
I must say, you make some very powerful points that seem so lost on so many…JRKH
The good O days were not necessarily all that good, if you actually look at them with the perspective that not everyone lived them.
Don’t confuse political correctness for freedom, its not.
That being said however, in pre-Vatican II days, non-Christians could not worship as freely and open as they do today.
Heck, even Catholics were discriminated against. JFK had to explain his faith, to assure Americans that he would follow the Constitution and not the dictates of the Pope.
Again, political correctness is not what freedom is about.
If kids don’t pray before leaving their homes, the point is mute.
Besides, I can imagine the sort of protest from many in this forum, if kids were taught how to meditate at school.
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No its not. There are plenty of good family programs on TV.
Memorizing the Baltimore Catechism wasn’t good catechesis either. Kids that didn’t attend Catholic School, were more clueless about the faith than many kids are today. Back in pre-Vatican II days, the majority of Catholic families sent their kids to Catholic Schools, which were run by nuns. Their education in the faith was a far cry from the kids who merely went to CCD.
I didn’t say its a perfect world.
Well at least boys aren’t taught that that they’ll go blind if they play with it, or girls will get pregnant, if you swim in a swimming pool with boys.
Also, girls who do get pregnant, aren’t sent off to homes to have their babies in secret, where they were forced to give them up for adoption, so they wouldn’t disgrace their parents.
Back before Vatican II, women were often told by their priest, to offer the beating their husbands gave them as a sacrifice. It would be a mortal sin to leave their husband and it was scandalous.
Allowing married men, would fix this problem in 1 year.
Also, back in the pre-Vatican II days, families were told to give one son to the Church. As a result, many young men were litterally forced into the priesthood. The result was that they became angry, bad priest. Not all priest were good priest in those days. In fact, I think we had more bad priest in those days, than we do now.
Agree, which is the point I’m actually trying to make to the OP’er.
We’re probably moving toward a time of totalitarianism, if history tells us anything.
Jim
Hopefully. Especially what the Pope has termed the theology of rupture.
I never denied that racism existed in the Church.
It’s called the principle of double effect.
No salvation outside the Church and the fact that a protestant can be saved are theologically the same thing.
I admit that many people just practiced Catholicism just out of custom. Vatican II intended to give us a kick in butt, and to practice what we preached.
More of “I was a victim of that Old Authoritarian Church”.
A sweeping generalization.
This is a change as a result of Vatican II. Prior to Vatican II, there was no salvation for those outside the “Catholic Church.” We were not even permitted to enter into a protestant Church, never mind attend one of their services…
Jim, you’re either paranoid or you’re pretending to be so.
I’m paranoid? Well, I’m not the who posted the thread, “the end of the 60’s” as if nothing good came from it.
I suppose everyone reads a different interpretation into things.
It’s actually an interesting thing about editorial cartoons.You mean a reality that in your mind was only bad, as your list made quite clear. And that’s simply not the reality of the realities of the pre-60s and pre-Vatican II.