End Times Speculation XXIII (ver. 2.0)

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Welcome to End Times Speculation XXIII.

This is the 23rd iteration of a thread that began in March or May of 2008, making this thread 8 years old. I’ve taken the liberty of adding “ver. 2.0” because we’re on the new, improved, ready-for-those-fancy-dancy-tools-of-satan-mobile-devices CAF. There will be some changes because apparently End Times Speculation XXII has been cut down in the prime of life because both the Water Cooler and Back Fence forums were abandoned to the bit bucket.

I’m going to re-post some of the messages from the old thread to act like “stickies” so people can get an idea of what this thread is about.

At this point I would post links to previous End Times Speculation threads; however, those are unavailable at this time.

Oh, Jesus, please bless this thread and all those who read it and participate in it. Send your Holy Spirit to us and increase your understanding in us that we, unlike the Chief Priests and the Pharisees of old, may understand the signs of the times. We ask this in Your most holy Name and through the intercession of the Most Immaculate Heart of Mary. Amen
Perhaps those of you who were born in the faith do not realize what is written over the wide front gates of pearl …TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME. That is what I was promised when I joined your army.

It does not say, “Take up your little pink baby blanket,” does it?
Phillip C. Wright
 
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After going through all those previous threads, I figured it might be a good idea to review some of the rules of the forum, so here goes:
  1. Since Catholic Answers won its lawsuit against the IRS, the previous rules against mentioning any politician by name has been removed. However, please limit your comments on politics to the subforums that have been set up for that purpose, so we can minimize the risk of thread drift. Also, it’s very easy to fall into speculation about who is the Antichrist-de-jour, but it’s not cool. Besides, if you’re right, you might find yourself being killed in some very graphic and highly imaginative way – I still remember seeing the guy lose his head in the original “The Omen” back in '76.
  2. (I’m going to emphasize this in bold, because #21 got shut down because someone posted photos and links that made a link between the presumptive Republican nominee and the Antichrist. DO NOT DO THIS! IT WILL BRING THE WRATH OF THE FORUM ADMINS DOWN UPON US!)
  3. So don’t pick names, pick dates. It’s much more fun, and besides, they’re delicious. Especially when they’re fresh. Cover them in whipped cream, drizzle a little honey on them – yum!
  4. There is also the standing CAF rule against promoting unapproved apparitions, locutions, prophecies, and the like. Given the nature of this thread, we have a little leeway, but it’s VERY little leeway – please use discretion and don’t push it. Specifically, discussing Garabandal or Medjugorje directly by name is a no-no. Do not discuss the latest news about those two sites, and PLEASE do not link to any web sites that either promotes or denigrates either of these alleged apparitions. If you really want to share something, work on a Google search that will point to the information you want to share, then tell someone to search on Google for X Y Z.
  5. Again, discretion is called for. A few threads back someone posted some information about the history of one of the sites that was highly inaccurate. I posted corrections with links to back up my statements; however, none of my comments or links had to do with the veracity or lack there-of of the site in question. Based on feedback that action was just within the lines. As always, we remain faithful to the Magisterium and will abide by any decisions made regarding any alleged apparition or locution.
  6. Also, if you are not Catholic or even Christian, you are welcome to post and we look forward to your insights. Be careful, though, not to fall into proselytization, i.e., continuing to ask why Catholics don’t believe XYZ after it’s been explained, or why we reject the religious messages of your particular founder. Such postings might be better served in the Non-Catholic Religions forum.
You might find it fun to go back and read the first three or four pages of each link, just to get a feel for what has changed and what has stayed the same over the past 8 years. Kinda like breaking out your high school yearbook and looking at it. (This option will be available as soon as the previous threads become available.)
 
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Since these first few posts are going to act as stickies, I’m going to re-post some (edited) posts from previous threads to (hopefully) answer common complaints.

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Why do I feel like all this “end times speculation” stuff is kinda futile, paranoid and Euro-Americentric?
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Probably because, depending on your view, it IS futile. We’re just trying to improve our understanding of eschatology.

Euro-Americentric? Given that pretty much ALL of the people who post on this forum are either European or American, is that a problem?

As for paranoid? Well, keep in mind that just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean THEY aren’t out to “get” you.

Welcome to the club.

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Well, my view is that trying to guess when the end happens is a waste of time better left for actually being Catholic and not whatever Protestant sect Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins subscribe to. We can’t guess it. We will never guess it. We shouldn’t try to guess it.

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None of this serves any good. We are Catholics! I thought we were better than predicting the apocalypse in such a manner.
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(I had a bad week when that message was posted, so I ranted a little.)

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Simply put, READ THE FREAKIN’ THREAD BEFORE YOU START TELLING US WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE DOING WRONG!!!

This is the 22nd iteration of this thread. Each thread has been about 1,000 messages long, because a limit in the old version of the forum software limited threads to 1,000. That limitation is no longer in effect, but we still do it anyway because it’s a good way of keeping track of message counts. People have been dropping in, reading and posting on this topic for 8 years. And in that time, every month or so, some newbie drops in, reads two or three of the most recent posts, then goes on to tell us what un-Catholic fools we are to be wasting our time on this subject and leaves, never to be heard from again.

Look at it this way: the word you’re looking for is “eschatology”. It means the study of the End Times. The fact that the professionals have a word just to describe the subject should tell you that it’s pretty important. The other word is “speculation”. We’re not focusing on building the End Times FAQ, we’re trying to deepen our understanding. Are some of the ideas “out there”? Maybe. And if they’re TOTALLY out there we’ll work it out using the CCC, Scripture, and the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Things are happening in the world. 10 years ago no one would have predicted that “marriage equality” would be on anyone’s radar. Today, IRELAND, the most freakin’ Catholic country on the planet outside of Malta and maybe the Vatican, VOTED to change their constitution to allow for gay “marriage”. Every other instance the change was imposed by above, either small groups of politicians or a few activist judges. People are wondering what is happening, and if we as Catholics don’t have an answer other than patting people on the head and saying, There, there, don’t worry, it will be CENTURIES before anything happens; if then (which is what one of our deacons did to me when I first brought up the subject), then we ARE going to lose people to LaHaye and company.

So please do us the simple, common courtesy of going back and skimming through a few weeks of messages, and see what we’re talking about. THEN come back and tell us that such and such is wrong because here’s what it says in the CCC. Better yet, ask questions. Don’t wallow in vanity, believing that in this wild and wacky world of Roman Catholicism, with 2,000 years (4,000 if you count the Jewish writers of OT Scripture) of very learned people (both male and female – check out the writings of Hildegard of Bingen sometime) writing about eschatology, that everything can be summed up with “We’re Catholics – We don’t deal with such things.” You might get tripped up on the fact that the Magisterium has never made a definitive statement on what the End Times will be.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality.
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And to be clear, we are NOT speculating on “The End Of The World”. Rather, we are speculating on the End of An Age.
Perhaps those of you who were born in the faith do not realize what is written over the wide front gates of pearl …TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME. That is what I was promised when I joined your army.

It does not say, “Take up your little pink baby blanket,” does it?
Phillip C. Wright
 
Hardly. Demons are opposed to G_D. They seek to destroy G_D and His creation, in particular humankind. Demons are not your friends.

Let’s put it this way:
In Heaven, you are with someone who loves you with a mad, burning passion and wants nothing more than to spend all of eternity with you.

In Hell, you are with someone who hates you with a mad, burning passion and wants nothing more than to spend all of eternity with you.

Hardly what I’d call “Tomayto, tomahto”
 
A clear sign of the end times is this recent change of the catholic answers forums. 😉
 
So this thread is going to be on the Spirituality forum now? (tries to make mental note)

So … Protestants have been very free about date-setting, and they’ve been skunked every time. As I understand it, Catholics are coming up on a date (100 years after Fatima) and it has attracted attention in previous editions of this thread. I’m guessing everyone will shrug and get back to work if (when) nothing happens. But I’m curious how many here expect something will happen, and how convinced they are.

For example, here’s a lovely letter written to the followers of Harold Camping (a Rapture date-setter) and all who wait for that which has not yet come to pass: our deliverance and our hope. Have Catholics ever had to write a similar letter to their CC brethren? Could someone post some here?
 
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Major solar flare today some are speculating more earthquakes, eruption of Yellowstone perhaps very soon.
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What is the connection between solar flares and earthquakes?
Some believe that on September 23rd or 24th something like a astroid might come to earth or the Antichrist might come into power.
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Why Sept. 23/24? And how come an asteroid or the Antichrist? Those seem like vastly different scenarios.
 
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If someone wants with a burning passion nothing more than to spend all of eternity with me, I wouldn’t exactly call that “hate”.
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Do you really NOT understand the meaning of the word “hate”, or that passion refers to any strong emotion?
 
Why Sept. 23/24? And how come an asteroid or the Antichrist? Those seem like vastly different scenarios.
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My guess is because Revelation 8 mentions “a star that fell to earth” called Wormwood (because it caused bitterness/poisoned the water). Antichrist-spotters expect an A.C. and a Wormwood to follow in fairly close succession.

(BTW does anyone else remember when people suggested that Chernobyl was Wormwood? There were still Soviets back then, and Antichrist-spotters were excited about Gorbachev’s birthmark.)

As to why September 23/24, I’m curious myself.
 
Watch a going to do when it doesn’t happen? No one besides God knows. Anyone claiming to prophesies this type of claim is a false prophet
 
Sept. 23/24 is when the Woman of Revelation 12 appears. By that, I mean that at sunrise, Virgo (the Virgin) will rise with the sun (be clothed with the sun), with the moon at her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head. A once in a several thousand year event.
 
🤷‍♂️ Go back to speculating. This isn’t the End Times FAQ. We’re just trying to be aware of the time and the season, no the day or the hour.
 
Ive heard helicopters too, depending on how you look at them, there is a resemblance to a bug, but doesnt that verse also say they were given power…whatever that means?
 
Possibly, that is something I think we will see before too long, merging between human/ animal, and human/ computer/ machine. Id bet its being worked on in some deep black SAP somewhere right now!
 
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