End Times Speculation XXIII (ver. 2.0)

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It was in the news that, when coalition forces overtook the ISIS capital of Raqqa, they made a deal with ISIS which allowed thousands of ISIS troops to leave Raqqa unmolested. These troops drove off into the desert in a convoy with their small arms. My guess is that they have forged passports and will infiltrate across the Turkish border in order to enter Europe.

ISIS has long been making threats against the Vatican. When loosing Raqqa, they promised a day of reckoning. I hope that security forces in Italy become aware of the danger.
 
According to Fr. Paul Kramer - When Pope John 23 read the Fatima secret in Feb. 1960, he turned white and almost fainted. The message, written under obedience by Sr. Lucia was shown to eight Cardinals who were placed under the Pontifical Oath of Secrecy before reading the contents, which were written on a single sheet of paper.
What was distressing to the Pope was the information contained to the effect that ’ The Apostasy would begin at the highest level of the Church.
"Someone who appears to be a Pope, and people will believe this man was a legitimately elected Pope. Would be under the power of the devil, would lead people astray’
Pope John decided not to reveal the contents .
Our Lady also warned not to change the Liturgy of the Mass. Cardinal Vieja said to Cardinal Ratzinger "This will cause the loss of millions of souls "
You can see the video on Youtube entitled 'Our Lady of Fatima, the Third Secret ‘Fr. Kramer’
 
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Of these three only Joseph Ratzinger bears a “same name” as Giuseppe Sarto. Therfore, for the Prophecy of the Popes to be valid, the terrible vision of Pius X must occur while Benedict XVI is still alive. If it does not happen during his lifetime, then the Prophecy of the Popes is not true.
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It could be Pope Francis:
Jorge (George) means ‘earth worker’, hence Petrus, rock
Bergoglio is a town in Northern Italy, hence Romanus as in ‘of the Roman Empire’
 
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According to Fr. Paul Kramer - When Pope John 23 read the Fatima secret in Feb. 1960, he turned white and almost fainted. The message, written under obedience by Sr. Lucia was shown to eight Cardinals who were placed under the Pontifical Oath of Secrecy before reading the contents, which were written on a single sheet of paper.

What was distressing to the Pope was the information contained to the effect that ’ The Apostasy would begin at the highest level of the Church.

"Someone who appears to be a Pope, and people will believe this man was a legitimately elected Pope. Would be under the power of the devil, would lead people astray’

Pope John decided not to reveal the contents .

Our Lady also warned not to change the Liturgy of the Mass. Cardinal Vieja said to Cardinal Ratzinger "This will cause the loss of millions of souls "

You can see the video on Youtube entitled 'Our Lady of Fatima, the Third Secret ‘Fr. Kramer’
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Have you seen this? It’s supposedly the real third secret and is quite persuasive:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g32ht_Analyst.htm

Here is the text:

Tuy September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944
JMJ
Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret: This part is the apostasy in the Church!
Our Lady showed us the individual who I describe as the ‘holy Father’ in front of a multitude that was cheering him.
But there was a difference from a true holy Father, his devilish gaze, this one had the gaze of evil.
Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place. It looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building.
Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church; this letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.
In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter’s grave must be removed and transferred to Fatima.
Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima.
The cathedral of Rome must be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.
If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.
Our Lady told us that this is written,[in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44
 
This article uses the edited version of the motto list that was published by Fr. Messingham in 1624 which contains only 112 mottoes. Fr. Arnold Wion’s list published in 1595 in the LIGNUM VITAE has 113 papal mottoes. Of course the prophecy is invalid based on the list of 112 because that would cast Pope Francis as Petrus Romanus, an idea that makes no sense.

The article says the the mottoes for popes prior to 1590 are forgeries. Yes, we know that. It was proved by Fr. M.J. O’Brien’s research which was published in 1880. Fr. O’Brien found that the list of popes in Wion’s LIGNUM VITAE corresponded “a little too closely” to a papal history published by Panvinius in 1557. Every error that Panvinius made was mirrored in Wion’s list of popes, so the prophecy could not have been written prior to 1557. That fact together with the fact that Fr. Wion had a political motivation for making a motto tor the 1590 papal election indicates that Fr. Wion himself was the author. The hidden benefit here is that we now know that we have what many analysts wanted to see: the original version of the prophecy, and that version is there for all to see in the LIGNUM VITAE, book II, pages 307 to 311.

The question is, “Are the mottoes from 1590 onward valid?” Here it makes no sense to compare the accuracy of the post 1590 mottoes to the ones that are known to have been made after the fact. Of course these would be more accurate. Rather we should look for an unlikely motto (such as “Religio depopulata”) and see if it has been fulfilled.

The article tries to say that a motto can only apply directly to a pope and not to an event that occurred during that pope’s reign. But that idea is belied by the motto for Francis which specifically states: “He will reign in the final persection of the Holy Roman Church.” So a motto can apply to what is happening during a pope’s reign. Motto number 113 for Petrus Romanus is much the same.

The article accuses the list of mottoes as " . .trying to predict the time of the end…" But the mottoes do not point to any specific day or even year. They simply say that the church will have only one more pope after Francis.

In his article Mr. Akins talks about Pope Pius XII and his associated motto, “Pastor angelicus,” but he studiously avoids mentioning the Pope’s autobiographical film and its title of “Pastor Angelicus.” Pius XII’s choice of his Prophecy of the Popes motto constitutes a tacit endorsement. Furthermore, the list of mottoes occurred in a book that was written by a Benedictine monk and approved for publication by the Catholic Church. And in over 400 years time the Church has never disavowed it.

The article makes the rediculous and desperate claim that the motto “Religio depopulata” is not an indication of validity, but rather is an unfulfilled motto. In 1880 Fr. O’Brien (a critic) wrote about Religio depopulata: “Troubled times are foretold by this. The blood of the martyrs will flow.” One wonders that, if Fr. O’Brien had lived to see the carnage of WW I and the rise of communism, he would have taken a different view of the prophecy.
 
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Can anyone please provide a list of end time events (roughly in order), including Church-approved private revelations? I’ve read Revelation many times and have read and reread seven books that try to interpret it. Two were Protestant before I knew there was a difference. I’ve read through much of this thread, which reference many private revelations and popes’ writings, but can’t piece them together coherently.

Thanks
Norm
 
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Can anyone please provide a list of end time events (roughly in order), including Church-approved private revelations?
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I believe that a big “end-time” event is coming up this year, and that event is the fulfillment of the terrible visions of Pope St. Pius X concerning some kind of disaster at Vatican City. My guess is that this is an ISIS attack that might be scheduled for April, 1st which is Easter Sunday. I hope that I am wrong about this one.
 
So while reading a book about St. Catherine of Siena, I came upon this description of Church history, that I thought is related to the end times. It puts the whole history of the Church in perspective.
To many minds in the present day this thought of the identity between Christ and the Church seems remote and strange talk, but the Apostles and the early Church lived and breathed in it. According to the old Catholic doctrine, Jesus of Nazareth is not dead; nay, He has not even departed from the earth. He has a body in which He continues to live until the Last Day, and this body is the Church. […]

Hence it follows that the history of the Church is, if not identical, then at least parallel, with the history of Christ. The Church, too, was born in a manger, she was sought by adoring shepherds and my the last of the sages of Greece; during the ages of martyrdom she suffered massacre like the infants of Bethlehem. She had her time of preparation and her temptation in the desert – in the hermit caves of Egypt and the laures of the ascetics, in the Subiaco of Benedict of Nurcia and on Monte Cassino. She had her age of preaching when she strode through Europe proclaiming the glad tidings, century after century […] She has had her period of triumph, her entry into Jerusalem, when all the civilisation of the West was like one holy city, when art and poetry strewed all her paths with beauty, and incense diffused its fragrance in the narrow and noisome streets of mediæval cities and the people shouted jubilantly: “Hosannah! Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord!”

Then came the time of suffering – when Nogaret struck the Vicar of Christ in the face – the long, modern age of suffering, when the Church stands bound to the pillar of scourging, or is exposed to the scorn and railing of the people, and the people shout: “We will not have this man to rule over us! Away with Him, and give us Barabbas!”*
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This is an elegant description of the history of the Church as mirroring the life of Christ. This reminded me a lot of a paragraph in the Catechism:
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.
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Thus the history of the Church is a parallel story to the earthly life of Christ, culminating with the final persecution of the Church and then the Second Coming of Christ. My question is: does it paint in too broad a brush? Or is it looking to closely at Western Europe? After all while one area of the Church in one time is thriving, others are in decline. Right now the Church in the West is in free fall, while Africa and Asia are growing. And even with losses in some areas, if you look at the Church as a whole, it is ever increasing.
 
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Bartholo, The decline of the the Church in Africa and Asia could be rapid. Interesting post and something to think about

Scientist will be making an attempt to drill a hole to the earth’s mantle.
Thinking crack in the World

 
I remember thinking that would be interesting, when I saw parts of it on TV in the late '60s. Nowadays, I’d be thinking “The Core”:

 
Can someone please tell me if the arrival of the Angelic Pope and the Great Monarch are considered valid prophecies that precede an Era of Peace? From what I’ve read, this period is expected to coincide with a revival of Catholicism. I thought it was the ministry of the Two Witnesses that brought in the fullness of the gentiles and converted the Jews. If so, then does the Era of Peace coincide with the ministry of the Two Witnesses?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
I think that the prophecies regarding the Angelic Pope and the Great Monarch should be examined with the same qualifications that any other private revelation have.

I am really not qualified to answer this. But the thought struck me: What if the two witnesses are the Angelic Pope and the Great Monarch? It seemed a neat idea but then I remembered the two witnesses get killed and then rise again (I think), so I don’t think that fits.

But then again, Fatima speaks of the Bishop dressed in white being killed by a group of soldiers. Could this also apply to the Angelic Pope?

Are there any prophecies about the Angelic Pope and the Great Monarch in which they are killed?

Just speculating out loud, right there. Any thoughts?
 
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In looking through one of my books about the End Times (The End of World - What Catholics Believe), it mentions the Bishop dressed in White … we had the impression that it was the Holy Father. Other bishops, priests, men and women religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big cross … he [the Holy Father] was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after the other bishops, priests, men and women religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions.

There’s no mention in the book as to whether or not this is the Angelic Pope, although I think it would make sense that it’s him, since he would be a powerful enemy of the Antichrist. The book does quote another revelation that there will be another pope that no one expects. Also, the Great Monarch, after he has successfully governed his empire, will eventually come to Jerusalem and lay aside his scepter and crown on the Mount of Olives. Beyond that, the book doesn’t mention what happens to him.
 
I question the validity of the above prophetic vision in that I see no way that our modern world would ever turn over all governing power to a future monarch. For one, the U.S., currently the most powerful nation on Earth, was founded to oppose monarchical rule. The Great Monarch is also referred to as the Great Catholic Monarch, who helps lead a revival of Catholicism. That rules out Russia and China as the source of the Great Monarch.
 
If by “one world government” you mean the United Nations (or even just the European Union), they’re the furthest thing from Catholic, so I don’t think they qualify as the Great Catholic Monarch.
 
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