End Times Speculation XXIII (ver. 2.0)

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undead_rat said:
Adding to the confusion
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Very simply, there is much in the media that adds to the confusion. It is tough to try to explain anything to tiger unless she shares a link or gives more info. There are so many approaches to the wrong Pope propaganda.
The best response is simple… Pope Francis is the real deal. He is our Catholic Pope.
 
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Blimp said:
But even if so, we’re still pretty darn close to the 111/112 which is the “final persecution of the Holy Roman Church”. Slightly disturbing
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I prefer…aroused, alert and speculating.
 
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Prophecy of the Popes - Wikipedia

I’d say that the explanations of the mottoes of “final popes” on this list are stretched out a lot. Maybe it’s the nature of the prophecy, which is always symbolic.

But even if so, we’re still pretty darn close to the 111/112 which is the “final persecution of the Holy Roman Church”.
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Thanks for providing the WIKI link. We not “close” to “psecutione. extrema S.R.E.,” we are there. These words are found in the two lines which constitute the prediction for Pope Francis, number 112. This paragraph is not given a number in the WIKI analysis.
That is a mistake which stems from the invalid 1624 reprint done by Fr. Thomas Messingham.

The Latin verb “sedebit” is correctly translated as “He (she, it) will sit (reign, preside.)”
The Latin language does not use imaginary nouns as in “there will sit,” or as in “it is raining.” You can search the entire Vulgate without finding such a translation. Therefore, the correct translation for the two line prediction for Pope Francis is:

He will reign in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church.

I do not think that this prediction will be, as you say, “symbolic,” any more that was the terrible Religio depopulata of 1914-1921.
Notice the out of place period following the word “psecutione.” This is a premature stop, and, in my opinion, it marks the premature end of Francis’ papacy.
Here we should acknowledge the visions attributed to Pope St. Pius X which mention two persons: 1. a Pope and 2. a “successor of the same name” who are affected by the same event. These visions predicted the retirement of Pope Benedict XVI who shares his given name of “Joseph” with that of Giuseppe Sarto. So whether or not Pius X was the one who actually had these visions is not important. It is the fact that they were made well prior to 2013 that is the legitimizing factor.

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The arrangement that you have quoted is taken from Thomas Messingham’s history of the Irish saints published in 1624.* He reprinted what Fr. Wion had published in 1595 with a slight alteration: he combined the last two paragraphs into just one. In 1880 Fr. M.J. O’Brien** proved that Wion was the actual author (not St. Malachy), therefore it seems logical to me that we should go by what Fr. Wion published in 1595, and in that version Pope Francis is not “Petrus Romanus.” That title is reserved for the next, and final, Pope.

FLORILEGIUM INSULAE SANCTORUM, Messingham, 1624.

**AN HISTORICAL AND CRITICAL ACCOUNT OF THE SO-CALLED PROPHECY OF ST. MALACHY, O’Brien, 1880.
 
Because we know the outcome, there’s no reason to fret whenever the signs unfold. God does not leave us without hope. Does not Jesus tell us, “When these things begin to happen, stand erect and hold your head high, for your deliverance is near at hand” (Luke 21:28).
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Thank you to all for the insights on the progression of the popes. Sorry to not include a link, but I tend to err on the side of caution since I don’t want to get us in trouble and have the thread closed down for linking to something which might not be allowed. Clearly there is much to consider regarding the popes.

At least I will have no shortage of books to read in the upcoming months.
 
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We can easily see what Fr. Wion published in 1595. Prediction number 112 (not given a number in the WIKI article) contains two lines and is thereby a little different from the previous 111 predictions which are made of just one line. Following that are the eight lines which should be numbered as prediction 113.

In 1624 Fr. Messingham published a history of the Irish saints. In his chapter on St. Malachy he reprinted the predictions that Fr. Wion had attributed to that saint. But he made one alteration. What Wion had put down as two paragraphs, Messingham conflated into one. It is possible to look up online to review page 178 in Messingham’s book and to see exactly what he printed.
This is Messingham’s version starting with the famous “Religio depopulata:”

Religion depopulata.
Fides intrepida.
Pastor Angelicus.
Pastor & Nauta.
Flos florum.
De medietate luna.
De labore solis.
Gloria Olivae.
In persecutione extre-
ma S.R.E sedebit Petrus
Romanus qui pascet oves
in multis tribulatinibus:
quibus transactis civitas
septicollis diruetur,&iu-
dex tremed*iudicabit po-
pulum suum. FINIS.

One can easily notice the alteration in paragraph structure as well as the change in various capitalizations. Messingham’s history of the Irish saints was undoubedly far more popular than Wion’s five volume history of the Benedictine Order, and that may be why everyone chose to use Messingham’s version of these predictions. But there is no safety in numbers here. Wion’s version is the original, and, therefore, the correct one.
 
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Hello fellow speculators. I used to spend time on this thread years ago under username MrClean. Always been drawn to prophecy and eschatology. There are certain ideas I have stuck in my head that I’d like to discuss so once I get caught up on the recent discussions here I’ll bring them up. Peace be with you all
 
What do people think about the new ‘Messiah’ series on Netflix? It is definitely depicting the ‘End Times’, but it is a bit ambiguous about if the protagonist is the real Messiah or not.

The series shows the Messiah coming as a middle eastern Muslim (though he claims not to belong to any specific religion - ‘walks with all men’). Some of the people in the series call him ‘Isa’. Could the Christ return as a Muslim? What do you think?
 
A lot of Muslims seem to agree. They say he is probably the Dajjal.
 
I absolutely REFUSE to watch anything “religious” put out by Netflix, esp. after their blasphemous portrayal of a gay Jesus.
 
I tend to watch older films from the 1980’s. I watched the money pit the other day, remember that?
 
BigRon said:
At what age does the antichrist know he is the antichrist?
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I don’t think the anti-christ ever realizes what he is. He and his followers always think he is the ‘Chosen One’, the Messiah till the very end.
 
In my opinion it is later than we realize. The “anti-Christ” may have already come and gone as the greatest persecutor of the Jews that ever was, and we still are not recognizing this monster for what he really was.
Judgement Day is right around the corner and is a global nuclear war.
The final Pope is called “Petrus Romanus” in the 1595 list of predictions. My opinion is that this person will be none other than St. Peter himself returning to shepherd his Church through the final tribulations.
 
undead_rat said:
In my opinion it is later than we realize. The “anti-Christ” may have already come and gone as the greatest persecutor of the Jews that ever was, and we still are not recognizing this monster for what he really was.
Judgement Day is right around the corner and is a global nuclear war.
The final Pope is called “Petrus Romanus” in the 1595 list of predictions. My opinion is that this person will be none other than St. Peter himself returning to shepherd his Church through the final tribulations.
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There can be more than one anti-christ (John 2:18). At the time of Jesus, there were at least two - Nero and Caligula.
 
Not quite yet, but I find that this event (WW III) is described in OT prophecies, Jeremiah 26:32-33 in particular.
 
Naaah. At this stage it’s MUCH more likely that we’ll witness the War of Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 38 and 39) in the next few months. If not by this April, then by April of next year.
 
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