English Catholic Bishops Attempt to Keep Anglicans Out

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I wouldn’t trust the Guardian to accurately report Catholic news…
 
Possibly but, like I said, I’ve heard of it happening before. Besides, this article was a link of a seemingly decent Catholic site.
 
I agree the site you linked to is decent, but I still wouldn’t put any faith in getting accurate or unbiased news about the church from that paper

Perhaps they don’t know how anti Christian the UK press can be
 
If this is true, then it is sickening. I will assume that it isn’t true. But regardless, a bishop or any member of the clergy should not be rejecting potential converts for any reason except for if the potential convert is not going to submit fully to the Magisterium.
 
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If this is true, then it is sickening. I will assume that it isn’t true. But regardless, a bishop or any member of the clergy should not be rejecting potential converts for any reason except for if the potential convert is not going to submit fully to the Magisterium.
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I actually have read one blogging priest with the opinion that corporate reunion was a bad idea because it wasn’t necessarily conversion.

Personally, I think some form of outside (presumably Latin Rite) supervision as the Ordinatiates are organized and maybe even for the first generation or so would keep from having the scandal of immediate schism of the group that just joined.
 
ive been following Damian Thompsons Holy Smoke blogs and Fr. Ray Blakes St. Mary Magdalen Parish UK "magazine" for 6 months or more, and its almost certainly the truth. Sabotage seems to be the aim of most of the bishops of England and Wales, and the Pope knows it. Thanks be to God, hes no dope, and knows how to work around his enemies. Theyd prefer to continue the virtually useless ARCIC caper.

In Australia, involving Bishop Elliott (a former Anglican) in it is a good sign.

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Theres more danger of schism from existing Catholic bishops than from the Anglican hopefuls. Thats why, at all costs, these newcomers must not be allowed to fall under the power of the existing bishops. It`s pathetic, but true.

Saint John Fisher: Pray for our bishops!
 
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ive been following Damian Thompsons Holy Smoke blogs and Fr. Ray Blakes St. Mary Magdalen Parish UK "magazine" for 6 months or more, and its almost certainly the truth. Sabotage seems to be the aim of most of the bishops of England and Wales, and the Pope knows it. Thanks be to God, hes no dope, and knows how to work around his enemies. Theyd prefer to continue the virtually useless ARCIC caper.

In Australia, involving Bishop Elliott (a former Anglican) in it is a good sign.

CDN
Theres more danger of schism from existing Catholic bishops than from the Anglican hopefuls. Thats why, at all costs, these newcomers must not be allowed to fall under the power of the existing bishops. It`s pathetic, but true.

Saint John Fisher: Pray for our bishops!
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I agree that there is more danger (heresy rather than schism though) from that quarter. But yes, if the Anglican Ordinariate is to survive it must be largely-self sufficient from the get-go.
 
Uh, well, being their boss, the Pope could replace them with strong, devout priests, as this seems to be the kind of ostentatious schismatic behavior the SSPXers were kicked out for. This, however, if true, is treason, in my opinion. I’m sure, after 25 years, there have been some priests inspired by the last pope to be loyal, who could replace these radicals. I mean, the last one did send a humanist message to the world by making peace the union of the faith created by God and those that are in theological darkness, which allows for nonpeacemaking actions of contraception but still, he never would want to keep out those desiring to be Catholic so as not to tick off those he’s in ecumenical talks with. The same would go with this pope, I’d assume.
 
A lot of the trouble in Britain is the fault of the Pro Nuncios. Theres the "Magic Circle" bishop clique, and dirty deals with successive PNs. Considering the fact that the late popes pontificate lasted for 26 years, the present crop of bishops should be solidly loyal, but he made a heap of absolutely disastrous episcopal appointments, not only in Britain, but just about everywhere, as some of us know only too well. He had to rely on others for advice, and he was betrayed, and the PNs were probably at the top of the list. Treason, all right, but on a world wide scale.

Our Lord told His disciples to be as gentle as doves and as cunning as serpents, and our present pope appears to be heeding His words. More power to him!
The Holy Spirit is still guiding the Church.
 
If he would have done a Pope Pius X job, as I understand he said, from the beginning, he wasn’t planning to do, he wouldn’t have had that problem with corrupt advisors, I bet. It’s like that K. Henry, who decided to fight some war, having disregarded the Protestant revolt at home. Pope JP2 went off the fight the home of the errors, as Our Lady of Fatima considered Russia, but the cancer was alive and well amongst even much of his clergy. Maybe he did not have the power Pius X had, but he was a shepherd. A “the Great” would have known of the famous conservative Catholics and would have chosen some as advisors or had them mobilize others to collect data on rebels (well, then again, it seems many think that would be McCartyist and prefer ignoring the problem). A “the Great” would have dealt with Notre Dame and liberal “Catholic” colleges as being the boss of the clergy there. Unfortunately, it was the lapdog pontificate, having the flock fight off the wolves, even though priests inspired by him were available to replace crooked bishops, if he had asked.
Pardon me, but I’m a little bitter, having seen most my relatives and friends be misled by club meeting liturgies and leftists allowed to teach in Catholic schools.
 
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Pardon me, but I’m a little bitter, having seen most my relatives and friends be misled by club meeting liturgies and leftists allowed to teach in Catholic schools.
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Same here, and i think the title “The Great” is misplaced. If we were to say that in certain company, wed be lynched! So be it! Was he naive......too optimistic......or what? Comments? The present pope is more in touch with reality, and is going over the heads of his many enemies in the Vatican bureaucracy, and his countless enemies elsewhere. Hes been referred to as a “cunning old fox”!

May he have a long pontificate. That`s my own conviction, at any rate.

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Theres a growing conviction inside my skull that hes the one whos giving us the TRUE fruits of Vatican II; a genuine renewal of reverence, sanctity, beauty, love of Truth, and the rest of it, in a way very few of us would have expected. Being old enough to remember the pre-VII Church, im convinced that it had stagnated in a lot of ways, and needed to have a bomb put under it to blow out the cobwebs and the dust and other assorted rubbish. It wasn`t all moonlight and roses pre-VII, in spite of what a lot of traditionalists claim. For a start, the faith of a lot of Catholics (eg my older sister) was cold and bloodless. The post-VII suffering has been terrible, though, as we both agree.
 
I’m not saying PJP2 should not be a saint, though some things he did in the name of ecumenism might be valid points to make against his achieving that level. I’ll believe B16 is getting that accomplished when I see it, and I think it’ll take more forceful measures against radical clergy and schools that keep dissenters amongst Catholic school staff other than illicit Latin Mass communities and women ordainers/ordainees, but I do think he’s generally doing more of what needs be done. It’s time to stop writing and talking praise of V2 and time to start making V2 happen or axe it.
 
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