Enoch and Elijah

[vz71]

They weren’t glorified like Jesus and Mary (or could they have been?) so they have to have gone somewhere, not flying around for thousands of years.

You assume that God can’t move someone from one time period to another.

 

[Faith1960]

Well according to some highly mystical Jewish traditions, not actually biblical, Enoch was
taken to Heaven (is biblical), then became the angel Metatron, transforming into a fiery be-
ing, flesh like flames, bones like burning coal, eye’s like lightning, you know, not in a dem-
onic way. That’s extra-biblical though (III Enoch), kind of aside the question thus.

Yes, I believe that Enoch and Elijah were glorified, transformed, transfigured, somehow, no
idea what that would be like, what we’d expect to see, but if you’re in Heaven, or rather are
taken up into Heaven so that you don’t see physical death, I would expect that they were
glorified. Now where did they go? HEAVEN! Where is that? If anywhere in this universe,
I have no clue, otherwise I would say that it is no where in this whole cosmos.

You assume that God can’t move someone from one time period to another.

I’m confused. Can you explain further?

 

[Jerry-Jet]

I’ve always wondered if maybe Enoch and Elijah are living on the cloudtops right outside the gates of Heaven–in others words–Heaven but not the fullest measure of Heaven?

 

[mikekle]

I’m confused. Can you explain further?

I think maybe they are suggesting God has moved these 2 people to a kind of alternate dimension, where they are living in the times they were used to (biblical times).

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Our bodies will not be glorified until after the general resurrection. Only Jesus and Mary have glorified bodies now.

Linus2nd

No one knows. I used to imagine that they were still walking around somewhere doing the Lord’s work. I imagine that God eased them into the afterlife and that he burried their bodies in some unknown place like he did Moses.

Linus2bd

 

[Faith1960]

No one knows. I used to imagine that they were still walking around somewhere doing the Lord’s work. I imagine that God eased them into the afterlife and that he burried their bodies in some unknown place like he did Moses.

Linus2bd

So we’re allowed to think of them as dead an buried in an unknown place?

 

[vz71]

I’m confused. Can you explain further?

I think maybe they are suggesting God has moved these 2 people to a kind of alternate dimension, where they are living in the times they were used to (biblical times).

Not at all.

I simply suggest they were transported to wherever within creation they are needed next.

Kind of like taking a book from a library shelf and moving it to another place.

Since God exists outside of time (and it is he that is moving the book in my analogy), I could readily see another place also encompassing time as well as location.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Not at all.

I simply suggest they were transported to wherever within creation they are needed next.

Kind of like taking a book from a library shelf and moving it to another place.

Since God exists outside of time (and it is he that is moving the book in my analogy), I could readily see another place also encompassing time as well as location.

That’s certainly possible.

They could also have been ghosts - spiritual manifestations of an individual that did not have physical form. A personalized spirit is known as a “ghost,” which is why the Holy Spirit is also sometimes referred to as the Holy Ghost. Christ upon His Resurrection and appearance to the Twelve said that He was not a ghost, but did not say that “there’s no such things as ghosts.”

 

[Faith1960]

I think this (non-Catholic) source makes sense.

ecclesia.org/truth/enoch.html

 

[Faith1960]

I think this (non-Catholic) source makes sense.

ecclesia.org/truth/enoch.html

Anyone else?

 

[The_Serpent]

Anyone else?

“Henoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations.” Ecclesiasticus 44:16

This indicates he is in Paradise, not Heaven, the reward of the just. Perhaps he will give repentance to the nations by preaching in the future? If he comes back, he will be quite an interesting individual. Consider he will look different than us, and will be able to answer many peoples questions about the past! :bluelite:

 

[Faith1960]

“Henoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he might give repentance to the nations.” Ecclesiasticus 44:16

This indicates he is in Paradise, not Heaven, the reward of the just. Perhaps he will give repentance to the nations by preaching in the future? If he comes back, he will be quite an interesting individual. Consider he will look different than us, and will be able to answer many peoples questions about the past! :bluelite:

1. Was his body glorified?
2. What/where is Paradise?
3. If he wasn’t glorified, how could his body be there?

 

[The_Serpent]

1. Was his body glorified?
2. What/where is Paradise?
3. If he wasn’t glorified, how could his body be there?

His body is not glorified, since he has not died yet. Nor has he received his resurrected body, which is what I believe you are referring too.

Paradise is in Genesis, where Adam and Eve dwelt or had access to before the Fall.

Apparently people can live there without a perfect body. Adam and Eve were still there after the fall. Being cast out was part of their punishment.

 

[Faith1960]

Anyone have any more ideas?

 

[Traverse]

Abraham’s bosom, you guys.

But of course God is also capable of making exceptions when He wants to so I wouldn’t completely discount the idea of them going straight to Heaven proper.

 

[Faith1960]

Abraham’s bosom, you guys.

But of course God is also capable of making exceptions when He wants to so I wouldn’t completely discount the idea of them going straight to Heaven proper.

What’s Abraham’s bosom?

 

[AmbroseSJ]

[bibledrb] luke 16:22 [/bibledrb]

Most modern translations say “Abraham’s side”

 

[cjforJesus]

Well the answer about the two witnesses is very simple with the following statement from Saint John:

Therefore if Enoch and Elijah are not in heaven, therefore we do not have to worry about this theory that they are the two witnesses of ch. 11 of the Apocalypse!! Phew!!!

The two witnesses are coming from withing the Catholic Church, nothing extraordinary, just like Jesus was born from a woman. Yes a very special woman, His mother; yes a very special Church: His Church.

Why to attribute to Old Testament figures something prophesy by our Lord who is bringing all things new? Also if in ch. 11 of the Apocalypse says that God will give to them and they will prophesy for 360 days. Why God will need to give them power to prophesy? If they were Enoch and Elijah they have the power already!!

In the love of Christ,
Gloria

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I cannot recall what saint prophesied that but I think they said that Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses that the antichrist will kill.They are supposedly in a level of heaven called paradise.

 

[Gloria_de_G]

I cannot recall what saint prophesied that but I think they said that Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses that the antichrist will kill.They are supposedly in a level of heaven called paradise.

I am telling you why they are not. Because in the text is said that God will give to them (power) and they will prophesy for 1,260 days dress in sack. If the two witnesses were Enoch and Elijah, they already have power and God will not need to give to them anything. Why we always try to make things look unreal??? Was not Jesus a man?? Was not born from a woman?? Was not doing God’s will?? So why the two witnesses can not be two normal believers from his folk who have this call?? Why??

In the love of the simplicity of Christ and the people that He calls to do His will,
Gloria

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[Faith1960]

No one knows. I used to imagine that they were still walking around somewhere doing the Lord’s work. I imagine that God eased them into the afterlife and that he burried their bodies in some unknown place like he did Moses.

Linus2bd

I think so, too.