Enough is enough

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Enough is enough.I am gob-smacked at the amount of folk who post here and remain unhappy with the Liturgy presented to them Sunday after Sunday. I am one of you folks!!
Time to do something now. I have witnessed our Holy Thursday ceremony turn into a coctail party since the Liturgical coordinator prepared far to many chalices and therefore was left with way too much Precious Blood. In fact I witnessed the Precious Blood being ‘pushed’ on the young Altar Servers who were busy tidying up the sanctuary. People gathered and had a great chat as they drunk the ‘wine’ Oh my.
For God’s sake people!! Stand up to this nonsense. Please :crying: with language of passionate pleading, on my knees I beg you write, phone, email, meet and explain. Let your dissaproval resound but always with respect and charity as St Paul reminds us. Remember my friends that most of what we see is don’t out of ignorance not out of malice. Challenge and clear the ignornace by gentle yet firm instruction. Instructin given in charity will always yield one good result: At the very least they cannot claim ignorance any mroe if they continue in their error. If they continue then more than probably it will be out of malice.

I know I have been caught up in the “Oh it’s terrible, it should not be happening” business for far too long. Walking away from your parish Church is not an option and should not be an option. You have a voice USE IT. Become learned in Canon Law, the Catechism and other important Church Documents. Use this wisdom of the Church to highlight error and promote orthodoxy.

We can pray to the Lord to do something about it and this is honourable, but hey folks the Lord will ask you when you meet Him, What did you do about it? What did you do to help me? When he does ask just imagine if we could not answer and bacame embarrased. I am working here very much on my own in this Parish.

I have just sent a letter to one of our Lectors who takes it upon herself to use gender inclusive language during the Liturgy of the Word. I quoted chapter and verse of Canon Law showing that the Church does not permit this action and that by persisting in it she is damaging the Mass not just in one area but in the whole. I plan to leave it at that. The seed has been cast I cannot presume onwhich of the options it has fallen!!!

St Jose Maria Escriva says "Frater qui adiuvatur a fratre quasi civitas firma" "Brother helped by brother is a fortress." Help them and then don’t worry. Instructing our brothers and sisters by pointing out where they have erred is help indeed. Do it once then pray to God the seed you sow will yield fruit. The Lord wants us to sow the seed. Some of it will fall on the path and the birds will come and eat it up. Some will fall on rocky ground and will spring up yet it will wither because of the lack of roots. Some will fall amongst thorns and the thorns will grow up and choke it. But some will fall on rich soil producing fruit, a hundred or sixty or thirtyfold.
The sower must sow. That is his only concern. Leave the rest.

Church Millitant??? Rise Up. Enough is enough. enough of the giving out and moving away. If we keep moving away it will follow and eventually catch up.

Put Christ back into the centre of everything. Defend Him. Become a white Martyr if necessary. It is for Christ. RISE UP.
SOWERS GO OUT AND SOW!!!

Fergal
Naas
Ireland
 
One suggestion would be to get together with another four or five folks of like mind and tackle issues as they arise. Make sure they are serious enough. And always strive to maintain unity and aviod scandal at every instance.
If you suspect something is not as it should be then go to Church documents find the chapeter and verse that points the correct way and then together decide a course of action.
We here have decided that letter writing is the best. If the first contact is ignored then one other person in the group will follow it up after all have followed it up then a letter to the Bishop is avital necessity. People who carry out their own agendas are always amazed when they discover that it is not only one ‘crack-pot’ who is dissapointed at their lack of obedience. Whe two or three letters arrive it send a very strong message.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church expect us to do it. See Redemptionis Sacramentum available on the Vatican website vatican.va

Blessings,
Fergal
Naas
Ireland
 
space ghost:
you are not alone with your feelings… any solutions?.. :cool:
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  1. Pray
  2. Write a letter to your pastor about issues. Make sure it is cordial, too the point, and not demanding. Remember to give him courtesy. (When I did this I had an orthodox priest read it over first.)
  3. If item 2 doesn’t work, write the Bishop.
  4. If item 3 doesn’t work, write the Vatican Nuncio.
I had several issues with the Pastor of my church. I did items 1 and 2 and nothing seemed to work. I started going to other churches during times of the year when the abuses were the worst (i.e. Advent, Christmas, Lent, Easter) I didn’t do item 3 because I don’t technically live in the Archdiocese of the church I attend.

About a year later, our Pastor was replaced with a much more orthodox Pastor.
 
Well I do write and am starting to have results but if you list all the abuses at once you may not get a good reply. Start with one or two, especially those which involve the Holy Eucharist and as you suggest have the documents in hand.

I am not in favor of the “group” approach. I start with the Pastor and liturgists - never successful yet - then to the Bishop with copy to the Diocese Office of Worship. Fortunately our new Bishop’s office is very responsive. If that doesn’t work RS says write to the Holy See.

If you use E mail, also send a followup by snail mail, keep a copy.

But I agree - do something. I have been reading here and elsewhere about liturgical abuses, much complaining and so on since the first internet Catholic forum started - playing “ain’t it awful” may make us feel better but it changes nothing. Do something.
 
Marauder said:
1. Pray
2. Write a letter to your pastor about issues. Make sure it is cordial, too the point, and not demanding. Remember to give him courtesy. (When I did this I had an orthodox priest read it over first.)
3. If item 2 doesn’t work, write the Bishop.
4. If item 3 doesn’t work, write the Vatican Nuncio.

I had several issues with the Pastor of my church. I did items 1 and 2 and nothing seemed to work. I started going to other churches during times of the year when the abuses were the worst (i.e. Advent, Christmas, Lent, Easter) I didn’t do item 3 because I don’t technically live in the Archdiocese of the church I attend.

About a year later, our Pastor was replaced with a much more orthodox Pastor.
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I celebrate with you in your success… i maintain that to work within the system is by far the best and most positive way to go… congrats 👍
 
I am mostly satisfied with the liturgy at our local church. A few times, they tried to have liturgical dancing, but people complained to the committee, and guess what, no more dancing. I guess I get tired of the feel good about everthing, don’t step on anybodys toes, and the politically correct homilies. Give me one of those "This is church law, and by God, you’d better be following it , or else " homilies. Haven’t heard one in ages.
 
I am happy now…we decided to try the local Latin Tridentine Indult parish. If there are any liturgical abuses going on, I don’t know about them!

I get weary when folks start referring to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as “the liturgy.” The Mass *is * liturgical, but I think using “the liturgy” weakens the significance of the Mass. Someone once told me this particular parish had “good liturgy.” My guess is that it was feel good stuff that is killing our culture.

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I guess I get tired of the feel good about everthing, don’t step on anybodys toes, and the politically correct homilies.
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I am growing weary of the poltitically correctnes of my parish. The problem I have is that there are so many people giving homilies. We have two priests (had three a few weeks ago) and 4 deacons, plus a deacon we share with two other parishes. Some more liberal than others. How would you handle this situation? Discuss my concerns with each priest or deacon spereatly? Or just speak with the Pastor himself?

Looking for a little direction,
🙂 Lilder
 
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lilder:
I am growing weary of the poltitically correctnes of my parish. The problem I have is that there are so many people giving homilies. We have two priests (had three a few weeks ago) and 4 deacons, plus a deacon we share with two other parishes. Some more liberal than others. How would you handle this situation? Discuss my concerns with each priest or deacon spereatly? Or just speak with the Pastor himself?
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It’s hard to give advice without know any details other then tired of the “political correctness”. If you are having problems with aspects of a certain priest/deacon homilies or the way they are doing things, address it with that priest/deacon first. It is always proper form to address issues with the person you are having problems with first, then escalating the problem. If you don’t, the first person higher on the chain usually asks is “Did you discuss this issue with him?” and then when you say “No” they will say, "Why don’t you.

If the problem is more systematic (i.e. use of improper translations, too many EMHCs, etc.) address the issue with pastor first.
 
There are liturgical abuses at my parish as well. The priests add their own little things during the prayers, the priest leaves the sanctuary during the sign of peace, lay people giving homilies, etc. It’s not possible that the priests and liturgical minister are not aware of liturgical abuses is it?
***What keeps me at my parish is the activity. I’ve never attended a Catholic Church that had so many ways to get involved. We have tons of bible studies and prayer groups. Also, I’ve never heard unorthodox teaching, which would certainly cause me to open my big mouth! :tsktsk: ***
***I’ve come to believe that the perfect Catholic Church does not exist. If you know of one near Appleton, WI please let me know. 🙂 ***
 
I agree with these concerns. The problem is, that this is the rightly ordered job of the Pope and the Bishops. I think we need to let them know we are weary of this. It starts at the top. As much as I love and respect the Pope and his beautiful teachings, I have to question the management aspects of the Church. It seems to me that if clergy are allowed to teach falsehood, then there is a management problem.
 
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Greg_McPherran:
I agree with these concerns. The problem is, that this is the rightly ordered job of the Pope and the Bishops. I think we need to let them know we are weary of this. It starts at the top. As much as I love and respect the Pope and his beautiful teachings, I have to question the management aspects of the Church. It seems to me that if clergy are allowed to teach falsehood, then there is a management problem.
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Well, the Vatican has published instruction after instruction after instruction, but our guys just don’t want to obey…(They act respectful to his face, then go to their home dioceses and do as they please…imho.)

Pax Christi. <><
 
It’s nice that some of you seem to have nice, orthodox, functional dioceses. I feel that I am in the Diocese of Bizarro.

My pastor refused to have a bible study group, OK?

Now follow this: He sent out an appeal for the CSA diocesan collection (catholic services appeal). This money supports the various diocesan ministries, one of which is to have adult formation in the parishes…IN TEN YEARS, we may have bible study. So, we’re contributing good money to change the priest’s mind about bible study. What a waste of money. Why doesn’t this priest just wake up and join in, rather than digging in his heals? DUH.

Yes, this is offensive, but so is the priest.
 
Panis Angelicas:
Well, the Vatican has published instruction after instruction after instruction, but our guys just don’t want to obey…(They act respectful to his face, then go to their home dioceses and do as they please…imho.)

Pax Christi. <><
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That’s my whole point. Following through on Church teachings by clergy is not optional. However, it has been optional for many years and priests are allowed to continue (not to mention molesting children). Aren’t the Bishops at least partly responsible for this? After all, these are priests we’re talking about, people who are supposed to represent Jesus. I think the role of the Bishop is to ensure the faithful are cared for properly so that they enjoy the power, beauty, and love of Jesus. Many priests have been allowed to smolder the candles of the faithful.
 
However, I should mention the many wonderful priests who do uphold Church teachings. Nonetheless, we have a very serious problem here and it needs to be dealt with right away, I mean right away.
 
In the early church the bishops, priests, and deacons were selected by the faith community. Believe it or not this did not work out. There were many abuses. The present system tries to match pastors with communities that they have never seen. This also has shown some problems. Just as everyone that has posted in this thread is different, each priest is different. What’s the solution?
 
I have a new pastor who has outlined in his first month the changes that needed to be made to get in compliance with the GIRM. He is definitely a NO guy, which is okay w/ me – he preaches, has started to shape up the music, has done away w/ CLOW, etc. It’s sooo great!

Those of you who have less than orthodox pastors, PRAY for your PARISH! It works, God answers prayer. My parish is living proof.

Praise God!
 
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