Bit confused here. What are you saying? Global warming is false? The overwhelming majority of the worlds scientific community says that man made global warming is a problem. I hope we are not going to start debating this.
Cardinal George Pell has absolutely **no **scientific credentials whatsoever. Why on earth he would want to express his personel sceptisim publicly leaves me gobbsmacked. Arrogance at it’s worst.
Catholic social teaching incudes an exhortation for us to be stewards of the environment. So yes…we should pursue any and all initiatives and strategies that might succeed in saving the Planet. I believe global warming is real. We *must try *to save the environment. :grouphug:
Um…then why are you debating it?
I respectfully disagree.
Thanks, that makes sense. That also reminds me that we should probably replace our ancient toilets; you have to flush them at least twice almost every time…Um…then why are you debating it?
I respectfully disagree.
Keep in mind that there are those, particularly in politics, who would use scare tactics of “global warming”, trotting out all sorts of “scientific evidence”, in order to advance their political position and power.
Buying into “any and all” stratagies that “might” succeed is simplistic and foolish. Low-flush toilets are a prime example. If one has to flush them twice (or more) to…um…do the job, what savings have you accomplished?
Ted Danson, that intellectual giant, claimed that the oceans would be dead (or such similar nonsense) in 10 years. It’s been over ten years since he claimed that and they’re still thriving.
Al Gore has claimed that it’s too late to save the planet, yet insists that we must make radical changes NOW! If it’s too late to save the planet, does that make any sense at all?
I’m not saying that there isn’t any contribution on our part as humans to changes in the climate, only that they may be insignificant…and, as China emerges from the dark ages into what was our (in the USA)…let’s say less-than-environmentally-friendly Industrial age, they’ll dwarf any of our well-intentioned efforts to clean the air with their industrial pollution.
So what’s the answer? Common sense. Do the things that are proven to help; recycle, don’t be wasteful, don’t litter, take advantage of community hazardous waste disposal (paint,etc), any number of things that don’t fall into the “the sky is falling” panic mode.
Well said.
Thank you.Well said.
??? What kind of broad conspiracy theory is this??? All of the major oil companies admitt themselves that the massive burning of fossil fuels is causing global warming. Why on earth would it help them to admit this?
Low flush toilets have nothing to do with global warming. They are to save water. Mine works fine.
You are always going to find somebody who makes outlandish statements. Using those (or a few dissenters) as a basis for denying basically the entire scientific communties findings is just silly.
It’s not about “saving the planet” the planet will exist just fine. It’s about making the most of it for those of us who will be living on earth in the future.
Yes, you are right. China energy demand is growing. But what are you saying “don’t do anything”?
I don’t see anybody in panic mode. We have been studying this for a number of years. Now it’s time for action. This can be achieved in a number of ways. Just think how well it went when we eliminated CFCs to fix the ozone layer. This is a bigger problem - but if we work together we can get it licked.
You might want to do some reading and educate yourself.
??? What kind of broad conspiracy theory is this??? All of the major oil companies admitt themselves that the massive burning of fossil fuels is causing global warming. Why on earth would it help them to admit this?
I’m not convinced by the “evidence” presented for “global warming” as being reliable.But you have to admit there are quite a number of pols who shout about the sky falling, not to mention that there are those who use “global warming” as a weapon to attempt to curtail our freedoms and economic power.
Low flush toilets have nothing to do with global warming. They are to save water. Mine works fine.
Apparently you missed my point…which is to say that the “solutions” often make matters worse. Maybe I’m more full of **** than you are?I’ve never had luck with those things.
You are always going to find somebody who makes outlandish statements. Using those (or a few dissenters) as a basis for denying basically the entire scientific communties findings is just silly.
Um…that’s not what I’m doing. Claiming or implying that the “**entire **scientific communit
It’s not about “saving the planet” the planet will exist just fine. It’s about making the most of it for those of us who will be living on earth in the future.
That’s not what Al Gore says…it’s entirely about saving the planet for him and many others in power.
Yes, you are right. China energy demand is growing. But what are you saying “don’t do anything”?
Nope. Just making a point about being sensible and not buying hook-line-and sinker every option, the silly ones especially, that a previous poster suggested doing. I’m also saying if China isn’t willing to do their share, why should we in the USA be made the scapegoat for global climate change? (And be forced to accept the economic consequences)
I don’t see anybody in panic mode.
Then you aren’t looking very hard.
But he is a Catholic Cardinal, this is a Catholic forum therefore a lot of people here are interested in what he thinks. I would bet that the Cardinal has read a lot more on the subject than most of us. Do you think that only doctors should have public opinions about health care or only lawyers should have public opinions about laws? If not then why can’t non scientist have public opinions on scientific things? By the way, what are your scientific credentials? If you have none the by your thinking you should remain silent about the subject.
In what way is it arrogant to defer to experts? I chose to listen to the broad scientific body - the UN Panel on climate change for example. I wouldn’t listen to them for advice on spiritual matters. Then I might go to Cardinal Pell.
So prey tell. What is your plan for when the non-renewable resources are exhausted then?
Exactly…