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vern_humphrey
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There was a lunar eclipse two nights ago, a full moon last night, and this afternoon it rained here!!!
What do** you** think?
It helps to have perspective. Being over-scruplous is actually a sin, you know.
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What do** you** think?
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estesbob
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It means original poster as in they made the first post to the threadI havenāt! Iām thinking it means orginal post or original poster, is that correct?
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fix
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I think what is opposed is using the Eucharist as a political tool. These are all prudential issues. I am against spoiling the environment and mistreatimg workers. I simply disagree with the OPās point.
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fnr
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You disagree that itās worth talking about it? Thatās all I was saying.
I definitely am not trying to use the Eucharist politically. In fact, I think going through the Church takes it out of politics. For me, itās a matter of personal ethics. Am I unintentionally hurting other people? If I become aware of it can I honestly ignore it and say I have a clean conscience? This has nothing to do with you, fix, or with anyone else. I have no basis for judging anyone but myself, whose actions I have influence over.
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fnr
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How about this:
I drive a car to feed my family, deliver them to the grocery store, school, and church. Thereās a 1/10,000 chance every day that I might kill someone using my car, but thereās probably a 90% chance that I would hurt my family by NOT driving a car. In terms of the insurance industry, or of a casino, my āactuarially fairā expectation of harm to someone else as a result of my harming them is given:
Expected Harm = (probability of harm) * (magnitude of harm)
The insurance industry example might say that Iāve got a 1/10,000 chance of injuring someone every time I drive, with an average cost of $1000 per injury. So my insurance company charges me $0.1 ($1000 * 1/10,000) per trip I take. The insurance company estimates that I take 2 trips per day (to and from work). In a month my āexpected damagesā that the insurance company would have to cover is $0.1 * 2 trips/day * 30 days = $6. They figure the chance that their costs might be more than $1000 per injury, and adjust my rates that way. They also estimate the chance that I might kill someone and the average liability payout that the insurance company would have to cover, the chance of damaging my car and its repair cost, and that adds up to my insurance bill, after the company tacks on a few percent profit on top of that.
So, I drive because Iām pretty sure Iād hurt my family by not driving. I address the risk I pose to others by paying an insurance company to pay the damages I impose on others, in case I do have an accident, and they charge me (hopefully) a fair market price to do so.
You could go through the same exercise for how much of an impact pesticides used in wheat and grape production have on people. Odds are that itās very small, but I think itās responsible to think of it.
Just so everyone else knows, even though Iām the OP here, Iām not a Dominican (Order of Preachers)!
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fnr
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Iām not saying that Iāve committed a sin per se, only that the possibility is there, and itās a relatively small possibilty for any one person. What about the scruples of a billion Catholics, in aggregate?
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vern_humphrey
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I suppose youād be against the suggestion that we substitute organically grown coffee from collectives in Ecuador for communion wine, too, eh?
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estesbob
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For sure!I suppose youād be against the suggestion that we substitute organically grown coffee from collectives in Ecuador for communion wine, too, eh?
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sprout
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I have spent some time in Europe and specifically Germany. I was very impressed with how eco friendly Germany is. When I went to buy batteries I had to turn in my used batteries for recycle. I was so impressed by the backyard gardens there, even industrial buildings have garden boxes on their windows that would be the envy of Nurseryland. The refrigerators in HOMES were the size of a camp or hotel refrigerator here. People ride their bikes to the train station, there were literally hundreds of bicycles in front of the train stations. The bikes all had metal baskets on the back. I found their use when I went to the market as they donāt ask āpaper or plasticā since everyone brought their own basket to put their groceries for the day in. They bought only enough for the day, hence the small refrigerator.
When I returned to the US I couldnāt help but notice how extremely wasteful we are and how we hoard natural resources in contrast to Europeans.
Germany is where our Holy Father is from. It is no surprise then that he is environmentally conscious.
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vern_humphrey
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And France is almost 80% nuclear, while the US, which invented nuclear power, is only 17%. And whoās keeping us from replacing our old coal-burning plants with nuclear plants?
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estesbob
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Has he called for eco-friendly hosts?
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vern_humphrey
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Tortillas, made from corn meal ground by manos and metates.
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anthony022071
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Eco-friendly hosts would be consecrated to pagan nature deities.
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fnr
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Pagan nature deities, like the ones worshiped by the Franciscan Secular Order, an official order within the Catholic Church?
From their Rule, Chapter 2, Part 18:
Moreover they should respect all creatures, animate and inanimate, which ābear the imprint of the Most High,ā and they should strive to move from the temptation of exploiting creation to the Franciscan concept of universal kinship.
I have been asked too many times already whether I sin due to excessive scruples. I do not appreciate being called a pagan. Your pride makes you blind. My heart is consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
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