Environmental Issues and the Eucharist

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Peer Review-Shmeer Review. A bunch of hooey. A group of “scientists” patting each other on the back. When I was in college in the early 80’s (Natural Rescource Management) the scientific talk was about the coming cool down and how we were going to feed the population with a shortened growing season. That was twenty five short years ago. A nanosecond in geologic time. Thus we had all the population control guys like Paul Ehrlich and those of his ilk spouting their rubbish about population control. FNR’s original post is about hand wringing environmentalist foolishness. We should concentrate on the original sacrifice that Jesus made for us. Not how the environment may have been impacted by the making of the host and wine. We all must get back to basics and pray on our knees for our salvation and the salvation of all humans and not how to protect the soil and trees. Get Real!
 
Peer Review-Shmeer Review. A bunch of hooey. A group of “scientists” patting each other on the back. When I was in college in the early 80’s (Natural Rescource Management) the scientific talk was about the coming cool down and how we were going to feed the population with a shortened growing season. That was twenty five short years ago. A nanosecond in geologic time. Thus we had all the population control guys like Paul Ehrlich and those of his ilk spouting their rubbish about population control. FNR’s original post is about hand wringing environmentalist foolishness. We should concentrate on the original sacrifice that Jesus made for us. Not how the environment may have been impacted by the making of the host and wine. We all must get back to basics and pray on our knees for our salvation and the salvation of all humans and not how to protect the soil and trees. Get Real!
May I assume that you’ve never submitted anything for peer review? Or perhaps you’re jaded by rejection? Just today, I rejected a paper I was reviewing from a forum that strives for high quality science because it had such minimal documentation of its methods.

Want to critique peer review? Do it with some of the legitimate methods like meta-analysis and evaluate publication bias in a quantitative manner. It’s the only way you can prove it. I myself have published reviews of literature showing evidence of publication bias, but I know of no other way to objectively assert it.
 
Rejection has nothing to do with my reply to your original post. It is clear that you are just looking to argue your point to death regarding the environment… In fact in my line of work (which is my vocation) I deal with very strict laws and regulations regarding my work on a daily basis and my work is reviewed by nine and ten member boards on a weekly basis as well a plethera of Govermental Agencies. I am not afraid of rejection. Your original post is the one of the silliest things I have read in a very long time. I have been coming to Catholic Answers for a very long time not as a registered user but just to seek answers. I work with and out in the environment on a daily basis I know what I am talking about. The environment and it’s weather patterns are cyclical and to think that we are harming the environment by trucking the host from East Overshoe Mexico is ridiculuous. It is clear to me that you have an agenda and are totally misguided and have bought into the hysteria surrounding “Global Warming”. It is clear to me that you have no understanding of what came before us geologically speaking. The planet we live on now is much different
than it was ten thousand years ago not to mention ten million years ago. It is clear to me that you just like to argue because you had to throw in that I am afraid of rejection. Clearly a tactic of liberals who fail to convince people of their side of an argument.
I do not beleive that you are even Catholic.
 
I’ll not speculate on your religion, though I will say that my last confession was less than two weeks ago, and that the brown Scapular, Miraculous Medal (“Regina Sine Labe Originali Concepta”), and Rosary are never far from me. I find it interesting that you feel so confident in your own version of Catholicism that you reject mine without knowing anything about me.

What I keep having to reiterate is that I’m not trying to argue for any particular course of action, but to begin the discussion. If you look at my post on how thinking about insurance matters, up a few pages, you’ll see that my biggest emphasis is engaging in honest, rational discussion about the best course of action. I think we just need to have all the information on the table, be honest about what we know and don’t know, reveal our biases, and be humble enough to accept it when whatever analysis we do doesn’t confirm our initial assumptions.

Should we avoid discussing the matter altogether, when there are quite a few scientific papers suggesting that pesticides, for instance, do have adverse effects?. To me, it reflects pride in being overly certain of the rightness one’s one actions, and a lack of humility that considerations other than the routine are worthwhile. It would also be prideful for anyone to also assert that just because one paper says that there’s a link with adverse effects, that we KNOW there’s proof. We all need to be honest with the likelihood that any statement we make is a “false positive” or a “false negative,” (or Type I/Type II error in statistical terms).

I’m absolutely willing to admit that any particular course of action I suggest is wrong, but to put it statistically, I also recognize that there’s a non-zero probability that harms accrue indirectly from my actions. All other things being equal (which they never are), I would try to reduce those indirect harms. However, the real world involves tradeoffs. I would evaluate, for instance, whether the additional cost that using, for instance, locally-produced wheat, might impose on churches, whether that would adversely affect their operating budgets and the ministries they fund. I would also look at the “actuarially expected” harm that current practice holds, accounting for the relatively low probability that the pesticides used in producing any one host may do harm, along with the expected magnitude of that harm.

In my eyes, that’s called bringing all truths out, and acknowledging that there are areas we know or don’t is another form of truth. Integrity demands that we admit where we lack confidence.
 
I actually based my original posting on a line of thought very much like this one, which I saw on another Catholic Answers post:
http://www.childrenoftherosary.org/bumper/B245poverty.jpg

I’m not suggesting that any child is dying from pesticide exposure, I’m just saying we should be honest about the probability that one might, and use actuarially-accepted methods of doing so.
 
For informational purposes, the reviewers’ comments on the recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and the responses from the authors, are available on the web.
 
I just read an interesting article that reveals the so called “consensus” is as fraudulent as the idea that global warming is man made. The overwhelming vast majority of peer reviewed literature is NEUTRAL on WHAT is causing global warming…only some 7% of the peer reviewed literature explicitly claims global warming is man made (some consensus) and 6% rejects the idea completely…the rest…NEUTRAL.
 
I just read an interesting article that reveals the so called “consensus” is as fraudulent as the idea that global warming is man made. The overwhelming vast majority of peer reviewed literature is NEUTRAL on WHAT is causing global warming…only some 7% of the peer reviewed literature explicitly claims global warming is man made (some consensus) and 6% rejects the idea completely…the rest…NEUTRAL.
How can that be true!?!? Surely if the support for Manmade Global Warming were that weal, the Mainstream Media would have told us.😛
 
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