Environmental pollution

[Theo520]

You are positing an industrialization/life expectancy correlation in isolation. Correlation does not prove cause and effect.

Consider other factors that correlate highly with life expectancy with or without industrialization, such as:

good sanitary facilities
access to clean water
the average supply of food calories per day
expenditure on health care
good infectious and parasitic diseases control
low infant mortality
political stability
absence of violence

Two things,

1. At least I have a correlation with my argument. You have none to support your claim we are killing em off by exporting our industries.
2. The bullets you outlined are very clear benefits from becoming an industrialized society. They belong on my side of the equation.

 

[frobert]

Two things,

At least I have a correlation with my argument. You have none to support your claim we are killing em off by exporting our industries.

Again, correlation is not proof of cause and effect. If you have scientific data of cause and effect please present it.

The bullets you outlined are very clear benefits from becoming an industrialized society. They belong on my side of the equation.

I believe the discussion is about industrial pollution and you appear to be confusing industrialized society with industrial pollution. To separate the difference pollution makes, compare the industrial pollution from China and India with pollution from industry in counties like Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, France.

 

[Ridgerunner]

To separate the difference pollution makes, compare the industrial pollution from China and India with pollution from industry in counties like Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, France.

Not to contradict your thesis, but

I understand France used to dump its used-up nuclear power plant fuel into the South Pacific. The last I knew, it changed that practice, now sending it to somewhere-or-other in Russia. What happens to it there is something the French probably don’t want to know or think about.

 

[frobert]

frobert:

To separate the difference pollution makes, compare the industrial pollution from China and India with pollution from industry in counties like Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, France.

Not to contradict your thesis, but

I understand France used to dump its used-up nuclear power plant fuel into the South Pacific. The last I knew, it changed that practice, now sending it to somewhere-or-other in Russia. What happens to it there is something the French probably don’t want to know or think about.

You hit the nail on the head. When a country exports pollution it becomes someone else’s problem. When the US exports it’s industrial waste to China and China recycles it that creates more pollution to China. China is cutting back on the types and amounts of waste it will accept which will lower their pollution and raise pollution in the US.

 

[Theo520]

You hit the nail on the head. When a country exports pollution it becomes someone else’s problem. When the US exports it’s industrial waste to China and China recycles it that creates more pollution to China. China is cutting back on the types and amounts of waste it will accept which will lower their pollution and raise pollution in the US.

Not a chance, China will just redirect their ships to other locales, or maybe just build an offshore island to do that work. There is good money in such processing.

 

[frobert]

frobert:

You hit the nail on the head. When a country exports pollution it becomes someone else’s problem. When the US exports it’s industrial waste to China and China recycles it that creates more pollution to China. China is cutting back on the types and amounts of waste it will accept which will lower their pollution and raise pollution in the US.

Not a chance, China will just redirect their ships to other locales, or maybe just build an offshore island to do that work. There is good money in such processing.

That’s a good possibility, it would be in keeping with US morality.

 

[Theo520]

In places like China and India, they need to mature and demand enforcement of their own version of our Clean Air Act

But here is an example of where international aid can help get the message out, saving many lives through simple pollution control.

Inefficient developing world stoves contribute to 2 million deaths a year | National Institutes of Health (NIH)