EO convert from Protestantism and uncomfortable with Eastern rite

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***Hello!! Former Protestant here… I have been received into Orthodoxy through the sacrament of Chrismation…Although my metropolitan bishop and others are sincere and kind,i have to say Orthodoxy is somehow too confusing and i am not really sure i feel comfortable with the Eastern rite worship 🤷 (first of all,i cant speak Greek and understand the liturgy) PS: The only Orthodox liturgy available is in Greek in this part of the world where i am living… I am aware of some Western rite Orthodox congregations under the jurisdiction of Antioch but not any around my town…Are there any EO converts to CC here? I think EO converts do not undergo confirmation since EO has valid sacraments and orders. ***
 
There is an Eastern Orthodox forum that may be even more helpful here:

orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=mu8dnh1e0uif6leid7obotm671&

Also there is this:

christopherklitou.com/downloads_services.htm

which apparently has Greek/English translations of the Divine Liturgy (haven’t actually clicked on one yet though)

This book:

patmospress.com/liturgy.html

apparently has both the Greek and English texts of the Divine Liturgy, which may be helpful since you don’t speak Greek.

I hope that helps you with at least the Greek issue.
 
Hi Anatolian! I am a Greek Orthodox who attends an Antiochian Church. To answer your question about western rite please go to the Anthiochian Archdiocese of North America website and I do believe they have a list of the many Western Rite Churches. All of these Churches were former Anglican congregations that decided to be received into the Orthodox Church. Since their priests were married the Orthodox Church decided to adapt a Western Rite for them so that their priests can remain responsible to the parish. I can remember an Anglican priest here on the Island who decided to become Catholic and when he did that the Roman Catholic Church will only allow him to be an assistant priest at one of the parishes. He can never have a parish for himself. That is why the Orthodox Church has a Western Rite so as to give these priests the responsibility to their own parish. So try the website and see if there is a parish nearby. God Bless!
 
Hi Anatolian! I am a Greek Orthodox who attends an Antiochian Church. To answer your question about western rite please go to the Anthiochian Archdiocese of North America website and I do believe they have a list of the many Western Rite Churches. All of these Churches were former Anglican congregations that decided to be received into the Orthodox Church. Since their priests were married the Orthodox Church decided to adapt a Western Rite for them so that their priests can remain responsible to the parish. I can remember an Anglican priest here on the Island who decided to become Catholic and when he did that the Roman Catholic Church will only allow him to be an assistant priest at one of the parishes. He can never have a parish for himself. That is why the Orthodox Church has a Western Rite so as to give these priests the responsibility to their own parish. So try the website and see if there is a parish nearby. God Bless!
It’s just sad that the Western Rite has been so attacked by Eastern Rite Orthodox.
 
To answer your question about western rite please go to the Anthiochian Archdiocese of North America website and I do believe they have a list of the many Western Rite Churches.
The Western rite is a ministry of the Antiochian Church and there are only about 20 in this country.

The Western Rite is a ministry of the Antiochian Christian Archdiocese of North America, and in full canonical communion and unity of purpose with the several Orthodox jurisdictions of the Standing Conference of Canonical Orthodox Bishops in America (SCOBA). There are about twenty Western Rite congregations around the country who worship God in the forms which speak to their hearts, rejoicing to be part of the Universal Church.
antiochian.org/western-rite
 
The Western Rite, however, is still required to reject the filioque, right?
 
The Western Rite, however, is still required to reject the filioque, right?
Right. The Western Rite Orthodox still holds the same faith as the rest of the Orthodox Church. The expression of it (which is what a “rite” is) is different, but the Faith is the same.
 
Right. The Western Rite Orthodox still holds the same faith as the rest of the Orthodox Church. The expression of it (which is what a “rite” is) is different, but the Faith is the same.
Disappointing. 😦

Thanks for the response, though. 👍
 
It’s just sad that the Western Rite has been so attacked by Eastern Rite Orthodox.
Agreed.
I can remember an Anglican priest here on the Island who decided to become Catholic and when he did that the Roman Catholic Church will only allow him to be an assistant priest at one of the parishes. He can never have a parish for himself. That is why the Orthodox Church has a Western Rite so as to give these priests the responsibility to their own parish. So try the website and see if there is a parish nearby. God Bless!
Do you know why they only allowed him to be assistant priest?

It’s the same reason celibacy is practiced in the RCC. The man’s vocation as a married man needs to be properly fulfilled also. Caring for a whole congregation with your entire focus on your “flock” as the celibate pastor of a parish is daunting the way it is. A married man will have to remove much of his focus from his married vocation if he were to take on that position. Assistant pastor allows him to properly care for his family and rear children while doing priestly duties without taking away too much from his duties as husband and father.
 
Do you know why they only allowed him to be assistant priest?

It’s the same reason celibacy is practiced in the RCC. The man’s vocation as a married man needs to be properly fulfilled also. Caring for a whole congregation with your entire focus on your “flock” as the celibate pastor of a parish is daunting the way it is. A married man will have to remove much of his focus from his married vocation if he were to take on that position. Assistant pastor allows him to properly care for his family and rear children while doing priestly duties without taking away too much from his duties as husband and father.
Bogus explanation.

I have met many excellent priests in the RCC who of course were celibate. And I have met many excellent priests in the Eastern Catholic Church who were celibate. And I have met many excellent priests in the Orthodox Church who were celibate. And I have met many excellent priests in the Orthodox Church who are married with children. And there are many excellent priests in the Byzantine Catholic Church who are married with children. St Paul was celibate. St Peter and many of the Apotles were married.
 
Dear brother Mickey,
Bogus explanation.

I have met many excellent priests in the RCC who of course were celibate. And I have met many excellent priests in the Eastern Catholic Church who were celibate. And I have met many excellent priests in the Orthodox Church who were celibate. And I have met many excellent priests in the Orthodox Church who are married with children. And there are many excellent priests in the Byzantine Catholic Church who are married with children. St Paul was celibate. St Peter and many of the Apotles were married.
This is not bogus.

I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided.
St. Paul, I Cor 7:32-35

It may not apply to everyone, but to say that what brother H2O stated is bogus seems to reflect an underlying hubris in your attitude. I doubt you have more wisdom than St. Paul

Blessings,
Marduk
 
I’ve heard some Orthodox claim that it is not a valid rite.
That’s a far cry from the persecution you seemed to indicate.
I would also suggest that Orthodox who claim it is not valid are in error and have no idea just what it is that makes a liturgy valid.

Many Orthodox don’t understand the need for the Western Rite, however that is a very far cry from believing it to be invalid.

Personally I’d like to go to a Western Rite Liturgy, my only issue is that it’s a 14 hour drive to the nearest parish.

Also a question for the OP: Do you want a Western Rite liturgy, or are you just looking for a liturgy in the vernacular (English), because the majority of OCA and Antiochan Parishes do the DL in English, and usually if you have a Greek Parish you’ll usually have at least one of those around.
 
Hi Anatolian! I am a Greek Orthodox who attends an Antiochian Church. To answer your question about western rite please go to the Anthiochian Archdiocese of North America website and I do believe they have a list of the many Western Rite Churches. All of these Churches were former Anglican congregations that decided to be received into the Orthodox Church. Since their priests were married the Orthodox Church decided to adapt a Western Rite for them so that their priests can remain responsible to the parish. I can remember an Anglican priest here on the Island who decided to become Catholic and when he did that the Roman Catholic Church will only allow him to be an assistant priest at one of the parishes. He can never have a parish for himself. That is why the Orthodox Church has a Western Rite so as to give these priests the responsibility to their own parish. So try the website and see if there is a parish nearby. God Bless!
Not all, the one western rite in our town has former protestants, catholics and greek orthodox. The priest is a former mennonite. So not all are former anglican.

Also, the anglican priest who is now catholic can become part of the Anglican Constitution Ordinariate. Opens many more doors than his local Catholic Bishop seems to not be allowing. I say that as I know of married Catholic priests who are Rectors/Pastors of parishes large and small. Under the pastoral provision what happened to anglican priests who converted was mainly left up to the local catholic bishop. The Holy Father is changing that circumstance.

The issue that married priest suffer more than celibate is a red herring. Married men have had vocations that take them away from their families since the beginning. As a married clergy man I have missed dinners, kids plays, family trips etc. When I was a fraud investigator for various insurance companies I missed dinners, kids plays, family trips, one Christmas, late nights etc. When I was in the Marines, I missed dinners, kids plays, birthdays, family trips, holidays etc. The Church has had married clergy since the beginning with various degrees of regulation. Some no married allowed to married deacons, to married priest to married bishops.

The problem is not enough men in vocation of holy orders. I know of catholic priest who has a parish of 1000 families, is the catholic chaplain at the naval base and a chaplain at one of the local hospitals. He has no assisting priest, deacon, nothing. He is running his health into the ground…ie early grave.

As to St Paul and 1 Corth. 7. St Paul begins the chapter by telling us that none of what he is about to say is a commandment. The passage quoted v32-35, ends by telling us it is not a commandment or restraint. St Paul believes ALL christians should be single and celibate, as he states in Chapter 7. It is his OPINION, not a commandment as St Paul clearly states at least twice in the chapter. St Paul also tells us in the letters to Timothy and Titus that deacon, priest and bishop can be married. There are restricts, but being married is not one of them. The catholic, orthodox, anglican and protestant churches have arrived at their understanding of a married clergy through tradition and experience. Well and good. I can see the benefits of both camps. Scripture does not require clergy to be married or celibate.

Arguments like this are a waste of time and do not benefit the church. The real problem is lack of men in vocation of Holy Orders and how to solve this pressing problem.

Fr.Mark
 
Hi everyone! Just a small response to these discussions. I do not know why people are disturbed about Easterners using the Western Rite. I mean that is their buisiness. For me personally it does not matter what Rite you use if you are getting the same result, Our Lord Jesus present in this sacrament. I wish Catholics will use The Divine Liturgy on some Sundays and Easterners celebrate the Catholic Rite on occassions. It might do us alot of good to have some variety. What is more important is not the Rite but the Priest who has a valid priesthood. Any priest can use whatever Rite he chooses as long as the Rite is approved. Hopefully there will come a time when priests of both Churches will learn the Rubrics and decide to put some variety into the services. Who knows someday Catholic priests will celebrate the Divine Liturgy on some Sundays and Orthodox priests the Catholic Mass. A lot of variety can go along way. It doesn’t matter how the potato is cooked as long as the cook can follow the recipe. I mean if you know how to cook it doesn’t matter what recipe you want to use. It does not matter to God either. As long as you are receiving His Son that what counts. God Bless!
 
Not sure if it was said but I believe ROCOR also has Western Rite Churches.
 
Hi! Some of you questioned my post about a married priest not able to take a parish of his own ( he is now a Catholic priest but only able to be an assistant priest ). Now let me put some wrenches here. Married Orthodox and Eastern priests do wonderfully well. Our priests do an excellent job. Many times I feel they do a better job than the celibate priest. I served under both married and celibate priests in the OC and believe me there is a great difference. I find many times the married priest does a way better job. When a married priest goes home he has a wife to go home to. A good wife can be a great comfort and support to him. The celibate priest has no one to go home to. He needs this love and support from his parish. It must be more difficult for this priest than for a married priest. The parish may not love and support him. At least with a married priest if the parish is unsupportive than his wife can give him that love. You can have an uncaring parish and you can have an uncaring wife. Celibacy does not guarantee anything! What guarantees anything is the beautiful relationship you have with your wife, with your parish. Ask any married man and he will tell you that it is his good and lovely wife that makes the relationship go well. So arguements about what is better, married or celibacy in my opinion does not suit well with me. What determines in my opinion is the disposition of your wife or your parish. God Bless!
 
That’s a far cry from the persecution you seemed to indicate.
I would also suggest that Orthodox who claim it is not valid are in error and have no idea just what it is that makes a liturgy valid.

Many Orthodox don’t understand the need for the Western Rite, however that is a very far cry from believing it to be invalid.

Personally I’d like to go to a Western Rite Liturgy, my only issue is that it’s a 14 hour drive to the nearest parish.

Also a question for the OP: Do you want a Western Rite liturgy, or are you just looking for a liturgy in the vernacular (English), because the majority of OCA and Antiochan Parishes do the DL in English, and usually if you have a Greek Parish you’ll usually have at least one of those around.
Well I said “attacked” not “persecuted.” 😉
 
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