Eph 4:11

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Could someone help me with Ephesians 4:11
My Dh has been great so far with my ongoing conversion but I am embarrased to say I drew a blank concerning this.
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[BIBLEDRB]Ephesians 4:11[/BIBLEDRB]

Christ himself has given the Church people who have the gifts/charisms/vocations/calling to be “the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers”
 
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11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ

The catholic church does not spend hours at mass in bible teaching.
Who fills those roles within a parrish?
 
From the Haydock commentary:

“Ver. 11. Some indeed he gave to be apostles, &c. It is said (1 Corinthians xii. 28.) that God (even with the Greek article) gave some to be apostles, &c. and here it is said of Christ: another proof that Christ is the true God. (Witham)”
 
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11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Who fills those roles within a parrish?
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The authentic pastors and teachers of the Church are the bishops, assisted by priests, in union with the pope. (See the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 857, 888, 1575)

A Commentary on the New Testament, prepared by The Catholic Biblical Association, in 1942, page 542-543, on Ephesians 4:11, says:
11. That he might fill all things: with His power and His gifts. In particular (11 ff.) He gives gifts to the Church. He has established for her some *apostles *(like the Twelve, St. Paul, St. Barnabas and others of inferior rank sent forth to establish churches); prophets who speak God’s word not only concerning the future but the present and the past; *evangelists *who complete the work of the Apostles in the building up of the churches; pastors and teachers, doubtless established with some permanence in particular places. St. Paul does not aim at completeness.
 
Thanks for the link and responses.

I need a good clear answer for him on this.
Would I be correct in saying that all of those things exsist int the catholic church but are not all of them are part of the mass.
We have our pastor and bishops and we also have those such as Scott Hahn who ( in my eyes) evangelize as well as many others including people here on CAF.

That most are taught as children and when they are an adult are ready to go on to the meat ie Eucharist?
Heb 6 1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Those just entering go through a formal learning process as I am.
Thanks again for all your help.
 
The Mass contains some of the “Bible teaching” involved in Christian development (if you notice, there are readings from usually 4 different books of the Bible at Sunday Mass, and at least 3 on weekdays…and a homily/sermon that follows). But the central focus of the Mass is Christ, not the Bible. We go to Mass to worship God, and hearing His Word is involved in that. Also, if you will read a Missal, the parts of the Mass and the prayers said by the Priest, you will find even more Scripture.

But really, learning the Bible is best done through Bible Study classes. The Church has organizations that put together study guides for Scriptural studies and even for studies on Papal Encyclicals and the Catechism. In this way, we can learn the Faith in the traditional manner, as stated on Eph. You might notice that no where in Scripture does Christ admonish us to study the Bible. In fact, He never once commanded that anything be written down at all…rather we are told by Paul to hold fast to the teachings passed down, whether written or spoken. Through the Church we have those who can help us understand these teachings…but they need not necessarily all be covered during the Mass. Christian life extends and continues outside the Mass.

FWIW, I do think more parishes would do well to have regualr Bible Study during the week or weekends. Catholic catechesis has been poor in many areas the last 50 years or so.
 
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