Episcopal Church in a tailspin: The main candidates for Bishop of Los Angeles are almost all gay and lesbian
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SonofMonica
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Yup.
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chris_molter
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Perhaps Gurney, like many of us, still have loved ones within TEC who dissent from the direction the national church is heading.
So telling us to mind our own business, in so many words, isn’t gonna fly. Not to mention it’s somewhat ironic considering you’re on a CATHOLIC RUN FORUM.
Oh, and nice attempt at a tu quoque there at the end. If you can’t make an argument, just point and yell “pedophile priests!”.
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SonofMonica
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Well, you know, there were no Catholics outraged at the priest scandal in their own Church. Nope, none at all…Perhaps Gurney, like many of us, still have loved ones within TEC who dissent from the direction the national church is heading.
So telling us to mind our own business, in so many words, isn’t gonna fly. Not to mention it’s somewhat ironic considering you’re on a CATHOLIC RUN FORUM.
Oh, and nice attempt at a tu quoque there at the end. If you can’t make an argument, just point and yell “pedophile priests!”.
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Alindawyl
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If a doctor kills a patient through negligence, clearly every other doctor at the hospital is neglient!
If a police officer is taking bribes, clearly all police officers are corrupt!
If a lawyer presents falsified evidence to win a case, clearly all legal professionals are liars!
If a Catholic official violates not only the law but morality to protect a child molester or rapist, then clearly all Catholics support child molestation or rape!
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theistgal
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Um … of course he/she has an opinion on God. Just because his/her opinion isn’t the same as yours doesn’t mean it’s not an opinion - or that he/she has no right to comment.Boysenberry Jam, you’re an agnostic, so you have no opinion on God period so there’s something wrong with you commenting on religion period since you plead the fifth.
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Harpazo
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At one time, practicing homosexuality was never okay by any denomination. Now look what’s happened? As bad as this sound, at the rate the TEC and others are going being a Polygamist or Pedophile may be accepted by them in another 50 or so years.
In Christ,
Andrew
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StrawberryJam
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Now, the way I read this thread is that the integrity or morality of the candidates for the office of Bishop are deficient by christian standards. Moral deficiency is not limited to one proclivity, nor do all harm others in the same way.
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Timbothefiveth
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I’m guessing that these aren’t celibate gays either. How, exactly does the episcopal church biblically justify this? Or do they just pretend that certain bible verses don’t even exist?
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I think he was saying that gay priests were more likely to abuse children.
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querying
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I’m a “she”.
And no, I wasnt neccesarily saying this.
What I was saying is that the overwhelming majority of abuse cases in the Church involved homosexual priests (who compose up to 40% of Catholic clergy, according to some estimates) raping adolescent males. Homosexual priests were more likely to abuse boys, not children.
The smokescreen of paedophilia is used when discussing the Catholic Church scandal, as **paedophiles traditonally have no preference for either gender. **
We know that with abusing priests, this was not the case. Sexual orientation and sexual preference was at the heart of the abuse, and the demographic culpable were… HOMOSEXUALS.
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GKC
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TEC’s approach to Scripture is creative and contemporary. Relentlessly contemporary.
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Gerry_Hunter
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This cloud has a silver lining.
Some Anglican Christian friends (and make no mistake, there ARE Anglican Christians out there, who are being put through the wringer here in North America by TEC and ACofC) have told me that these events are making them think very carefully about staying where they are (in the ACofC). And the more things like this that happen, the less likely it becomes that either body (they are so close in beliefs) will be able to misrepresent their beliefs in the public square.
It is not so much that the revisionist beliefs are now becoming better known. They’ve been known for a while. What is becoming clearer is that the idea these communities can be brought back to something resembling communities that espouse the historic Christian faith is a dog that will not hunt. They are going their own way, and the more Christians who realize that, the better - and safer for the Christian faith.
The very worst thing that could have happened is that these outfits could have pulled off the deception that they continue to avow the historic Christian faith. Every act such as these makes that less and less possible.
Blessings,
Gerry
Some Anglican Christian friends (and make no mistake, there ARE Anglican Christians out there, who are being put through the wringer here in North America by TEC and ACofC) have told me that these events are making them think very carefully about staying where they are (in the ACofC). And the more things like this that happen, the less likely it becomes that either body (they are so close in beliefs) will be able to misrepresent their beliefs in the public square.
It is not so much that the revisionist beliefs are now becoming better known. They’ve been known for a while. What is becoming clearer is that the idea these communities can be brought back to something resembling communities that espouse the historic Christian faith is a dog that will not hunt. They are going their own way, and the more Christians who realize that, the better - and safer for the Christian faith.
The very worst thing that could have happened is that these outfits could have pulled off the deception that they continue to avow the historic Christian faith. Every act such as these makes that less and less possible.
Blessings,
Gerry
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Trad_Julia
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I’d ask you in the name of Christian charity not to prejudge and accuse others. I was not referring to pedophilia at all, but other causes of dissension within the Church’s ranks, and to assume otherwise doesn’t make you look well at all.Perhaps Gurney, like many of us, still have loved ones within TEC who dissent from the direction the national church is heading.
So telling us to mind our own business, in so many words, isn’t gonna fly. Not to mention it’s somewhat ironic considering you’re on a CATHOLIC RUN FORUM.
Not Ironic at all, as I, and many others here, are not Catholic. Sorry.
Oh, and nice attempt at a tu quoque there at the end. If you can’t make an argument, just point and yell “pedophile priests!”.
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gurneyhalleck1
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Dude, yes I am concerned. I’m concerned with people misrepresenting Christ in all forms anywhere and anytime. I actually DO care and don’t like to see people taken-in by this secularized, liberal, gospel of lies. And yes, I am just as concerned about the abuses and issues in my own church. I was railing and puking and appauled at the abuse scandals, the shuffling around of pedophiles, the burying our heads in the sand, and the excuses being made for these predators in the RCC. I can walk and chew gum Trad, being disheartened and outraged by multiple groups who claim to walk in Christ and yet drag His holy name through the mud. I don’t live, to answer your question, under the jurisdiction of any TEC bishops, true. I also don’t live in Darfur but I can be outraged, can’t
I? Thanks for letting me have my constitutional right to be concerned, care, and heck, even complain!
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gurneyhalleck1
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I fail to see the sarcastic joke here? Aren’t gays AND lesbians as well as these cross-dressing “transgenders” and bisexuals always linked as a party pack with LGTB? LOLWhat, even women?
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gurneyhalleck1
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What irony, a poster named “theist gal” is fighting to defend an “agnostic?” ummmm (LOL, sorry, I"m using your intro device here) she has the right but I find it ironic coming from someone who has no opinion about God (basically what an agnostic IS compared to an atheist who at least is willing to say there is no god at all) is so quick to give an opinion. I found it humorous. Your saying that agnosticism is an opinion is the funny part to me. Someone who openly has no opinion about the existence of God has an opinion in that they have no opinion? It sounds like Chrissy off “Three’s Company” logic lol…Um … of course he/she has an opinion on God. Just because his/her opinion isn’t the same as yours doesn’t mean it’s not an opinion - or that he/she has no right to comment.
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chris_molter
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The point stands, regardless if you were referring to the abuse scandal or any other dissention. Telling Catholics to mind their own house is a poor form of argumentation… especially when those Catholics have a vested interest in what happens within TEC. (I’d argue that all Christians have a vested interest in what happens to other Christians as a matter of principle)
I do apologize for my tone and beg your forgiveness.
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Siddhartha
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They first came for the atheist,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an atheist.
Then they came for the secular humanist,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a secular humanist.
Then they came for the agnostic,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an agnostic.
Then they came for the theists,
and I didn’t speak up because I was an internet forum poster.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
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Trad_Julia
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Said forgiveness is freely and gratefully given, and I also need to appologize. I agree with you when the issue is framed in the light of ensuring one another’s welfare. I’d caution, though, that there is a thin line between doing such, and expecting the one instructed (admonished?) to conform to one’s ideas.
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abucs
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Who was it that came first for the atheist ??They first came for the atheist,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an atheist.
Then they came for the secular humanist,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a secular humanist.
Then they came for the agnostic,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an agnostic.
Then they came for the theists,
and I didn’t speak up because I was an internet forum poster.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
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