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27lw
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What do you call that – an ad hominem attack? Not to address the point, just the person?
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Rasoleil
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Of course, the government wouldn’t lie.
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Neithan
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That already happened; they even added some flames to the crosses for dramatic effect.
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AlNg
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Maybe. But from time to time they seem to be giving out misinformation and the background agenda may be hidden.
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Dolphin
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If I cited CNN most conservatives would dismiss the source. If you cite Ben Shapiro I will dismiss just as quickly. Can’t have it both ways.
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StudentMI
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The rational response would be to read the CNN article or listen to the Shapiro talk and then judge it.
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Poet
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Unfortunately, most people are not going to have an hour to listen to this video. Can you sum up what he’s talking about at least?
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Poet
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yes, it would be nice if we could address the FACTS or INFORMATION GIVEN rather than just dismissing every source or person we don’t like.
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phil19034
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Honestly, I don’t think it was just a “photo op.” Yes, they took a photo, but that wasn’t the reason he went there (in my humble opinion).phil19034:
Does it make it better if they used smoke canisters to attack the clergy for the sake of a photo op?
And Clergy were NOT attacked. Yes, there was some clergy who got caught up in all the pandemonium, but they were not the target.
Trump went there to show the governors and mayors in the country that the need to put an end to the violence. He went there to show the people who feel America’s leadership is lacking that they need to do something.
I would not be surprised if he or the organizers had originally intended for him to go inside, but the fact is the Church was locked and none of the clergy assigned to that Church was there. The pastor of that Church was being interviewed at FoxNews when Trump was walking back to the White House and had no idea that Trump was there.
NOW: in hindsight, did the decision to visit the church backfire, yes. Perhaps he shouldn’t have done it. However, after listening to the National Parks Police give their version of what happened, I think the news media and all of the Democrats are twisting what was done for their political agenda.
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StudentMI
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Agreed. I do however agree an hour long talk is a bit much. Best to sum up, maybe point to relevant sections that aren’t too long.
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Poet
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How do you know it’s shameless use and a prop? How do you know this is nothing to him but a photo op background?
Who gave you the ability to look into hearts? Did God appoint you the judge of other men’s hearts?
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Rasoleil
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I was being sarcastic. I hoped no one thought me to be serious. The Trump administration lie? All the time. It’s their M.O. Remember that Trump told his followers to don’t believe everything they see and hear.
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Rasoleil
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Trump pulled this stunt purely for the photo op. This could have been done much earlier in the day. The area beween the White House & the church could have been restricted earlier that day, before the crowds grew.The stunt began before he even went to the church. The Rose Garden Airing of Grievances, declaring war on the American people, bringing in 9 military vehicles full of armed military troops, and that was just the beginning of the entire stunt and show. It hadn’t even been close to curfew yet and Trump had ordred the vicinity of Lafayette Park and St. John’s Church cleared. Why before curfew when he knew all along that he was going to the church? Peaceful protesters were attacked ( tear gas, flash bombs, smoke grenades, batons, shields, helicopters hovering dangerously low overhead trying to disperse protesters etc.). People can argue the minutae, but the intent was the same: fear and intimidation, and all part of the show. Innocent, peaceful protestors pushed away violently so that he could complete that particular stunt before the church. The stunt before the church was just the last act of the play he put on for his base. Everyone saw through this charade
Does a loving, caring, compassionate Chrisitian do all of the above?
What’s in his heart? Emptiness. A very dark, cold place.
Does a loving, caring, compassionate Chrisitian do all of the above?
What’s in his heart? Emptiness. A very dark, cold place.
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Dolphin
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Time is a resource. Why waste it on something not worth it? Same reason I’m not reading Church Militant. No reason to waste my time
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StudentMI
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In their defense they did break a huge story here days before the Archdiocese did, recently.
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Dolphin
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Broken clocks are right twice a day
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phil19034
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According to the National Park Police, there was an order to clear the path yesterday morning. It was suppposed to be done much earlier in the day, but the police never carried out the order.
That’s why the US AG Barr walked out there and ordered them to clear it around 6.
Why the order wasn’t carried out earlier in the day, I don’t know. But the park police have acknowledged today that the order to clear the area was issued in the morning and it was supposed to be cleared all day (and surely all afternoon).
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Servant31
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I think to me this is part of the challenge. If they were tear gassed then that’s absolutely horrid. But with the media today, and politics the way it is, everyone is so two-faced. The tough guy one minute then the poor innocent victim 2 mins later. It’s impossible to get to the truth.
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StudentMI
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I used to trust the media to tell me the truth,
But now I see the payoffs everywhere I look,
Who do you trust when everyone’s a crook?
Queensryche lyrics.
But now I see the payoffs everywhere I look,
Who do you trust when everyone’s a crook?
Queensryche lyrics.
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phil19034
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According to the National Park Police, tear gas was not used. Only smoke canisters.
We know that some people have trouble with smoke - just think of the number of people who always complain about incense being used at Mass because they can’t breathe.
It also, would not surprise me that “women priests” of the Episcopal church wouldn’t know the difference between tear gas and smoke canisters.
Personally, I have no reason to doubt the National Park Police, but I have plenty of reason to doubt the media, politicians, and liberal “women priests.”
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