Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

[gurneyhalleck1]

With the exception of the ELCA Lutherans, some liberal groups like the United Church of Christ, and folks like the liberal Presbyterians, etc. the TEC is pretty far apart religiously and morally from most of Christendom period. They are certainly morally miles apart from the rest of the Anglican Communion and it is precisely that fact that has led to an implosion of disunity, mayhem, and chaos in the Anglican world. I don’t see the Catholic Church “forcing” religious views on anyone? Quite the contrary. There is a huge exodus of people from the Church of England and the Episcopal Church attendance numbers are pretty poor. I think they’re doing their own damage to themselves with the all-inclusive, liberal agenda they’ve imposed as well as the mass lawsuits. They’re undoing themselves without any other churches needing to do the leg work.

Choy,

I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut however while that’s the way it may work in the RC, its not the way it works in the Episcopal Church; another reason why the RC and TEC are so far apart in the religious world.

There are things that the RC does that we as Episcopal’s find dreadful and it keeps us far apart and most likely will for a long time. However, we won’t force our beliefs on you, nor do we expect you to force your beliefs upon us as well.

 

[gamewell45]

There is a huge exodus of people from the Church of England and the Episcopal Church attendance numbers are pretty poor.

That may be, but my parish is growing steadily every year and if things continue as they are, we’ll be among the largest parishes in the diocese. Can’t speak for the other areas of the country. But even if its true, for us its not about quantity, but the quality of believers.

 

[GKC]

That may be, but my parish is growing steadily every year and if things continue as they are, we’ll be among the largest parishes in the diocese. Can’t speak for the other areas of the country. But even if its true, for us its not about quantity, but the quality of believers.

Oddly enough, my small parish feels the same way.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

 

[choy]

Choy,

I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut however while that’s the way it may work in the RC, its not the way it works in the Episcopal Church; another reason why the RC and TEC are so far apart in the religious world.

There are things that the RC does that we as Episcopal’s find dreadful and it keeps us far apart and most likely will for a long time. However, we won’t force our beliefs on you, nor do we expect you to force your beliefs upon us as well.

i’m just responding to the comment about Catholics should not be concerned about what other faiths do. fact is, Catholics should be concerned about everything that affects the world. Christ asks us to spread the Gospel. letting other faiths spread immorality is counter to that mandate.

 

[vsedriver]

The marriage for procreation argument doesn’t hold because there are plenty of marriages ordained by God where no procreating occurs. Nor bother with a child needs a mother and father. Plenty of children either as a result of death or through some other reason are raised by single parents.

God bless on your journey and peace.

It is a God given right for every child to have a mother and a father. Marriages that do not produce children are still the God decreed family unit for raising children. They still consist of a ‘possible’ mother and father. God has the power to make them fruitful either biologically or through adoption.

Whether a child is raised without both a mother and a father doesn’t change the Natural Law that that child had a mother and a father and are entitled by God to have both.

 

[WetCatechumen]

The fact that they have to make a new rite for these reveals that fact that it isn’t actually marriage.

When laws against interracial marriage fell, Southern Baptists and Methodists didn’t have to make a new rite for a black woman marrying a white man or a white woman marrying a black man. It’s because it was still marriage.

When you have to change the rite, it’s clear you’re not doing the same thing. It’s not marriage.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

And I agree that numbers are not everything either. Mormons are all over the globe in droves and I think that religion is a 100% totally illegitimate false church. So I agree. However, where I disagree with you is the “quality” opinion. I think the quality of TEC is absolutely absent altogether. It is a secular humanities class from college with a social restructuring agenda that has no moral compass and it’s rubber stamping what society says rather than doing as Christ calls us to do: NOT be of this world. Each and every Episcopalian ‘virtue’ is a rubber stamped left wing media/Obama/feel-good P.C. modern piece of the world. Jesus is not of this world nor should Christians be. Abortion, same-sex ‘marriage,’ homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressers, in vitro using couples, gays adopting little babies, and all these other ‘of-the-world’ secular issues are not the mark of the Holy Spirit. So I agree about numbers and quantity but I find the quality of Episcopalian religion wholly lacking and disturbing in most areas.

A couple of friends on mine on here, SoldierX and Anna Scott, remain Episcopalians because their dioceses are still fairly orthodox and conservative. But being an orthodox Christian in the Episcopal realm is like being at Helm’s Deep and the 100,000 Urukhai and storming the castle…the thumping, the earthquake, the rain, the death of the old ways and faithful tradition of the Church is dying in that castle and that’s why they’re looking into other possibilities and alternatives.

That may be, but my parish is growing steadily every year and if things continue as they are, we’ll be among the largest parishes in the diocese. Can’t speak for the other areas of the country. But even if its true, for us its not about quantity, but the quality of believers.

 

[GKC]

And I agree that numbers are not everything either. Mormons are all over the globe in droves and I think that religion is a 100% totally illegitimate false church. So I agree. However, where I disagree with you is the “quality” opinion. I think the quality of TEC is absolutely absent altogether. It is a secular humanities class from college with a social restructuring agenda that has no moral compass and it’s rubber stamping what society says rather than doing as Christ calls us to do: NOT be of this world. Each and every Episcopalian ‘virtue’ is a rubber stamped left wing media/Obama/feel-good P.C. modern piece of the world. Jesus is not of this world nor should Christians be. Abortion, same-sex ‘marriage,’ homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressers, in vitro using couples, gays adopting little babies, and all these other ‘of-the-world’ secular issues are not the mark of the Holy Spirit. So I agree about numbers and quantity but I find the quality of Episcopalian religion wholly lacking and disturbing in most areas.

A couple of friends on mine on here, SoldierX and Anna Scott, remain Episcopalians because their dioceses are still fairly orthodox and conservative. But being an orthodox Christian in the Episcopal realm is like being at Helm’s Deep and the 100,000 Urukhai and storming the castle…the thumping, the earthquake, the rain, the death of the old ways and faithful tradition of the Church is dying in that castle and that’s why they’re looking into other possibilities and alternatives.

Get the women and children into the caves.

And at dawn, look to the east.

GKC

 

[larkin31]

2 + 2 = 4 even if your understanding is 2 + 2 = 5.

There are absolute truths. Morality doesn’t get a pass on this fact.

2 + 2 can equal 11

not even math is absolute

 

[larkin31]

With the exception of the ELCA Lutherans, some liberal groups like the United Church of Christ, and folks like the liberal Presbyterians, etc. the TEC is pretty far apart religiously and morally from most of Christendom period…

Here is the Statement of Faith from the United Church of Christ:

United Church of Christ Statement of Faith—adapted by Robert V. Moss

We believe in God, the Eternal Spirit, who is made known to us in Jesus our brother, and to whose deeds we testify:

God calls the worlds into being, creates humankind in the divine image, and sets before us the ways of life and death.

God seeks in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin.

God judges all humanity and all nations by that will of righteousness declared through prophets and apostles.

In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Lord,God has come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the whole creation to its Creator.

God bestows upon us the Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races.

God calls us into the church to accept the cost and joy of discipleship, to be servants in the service of the whole human family, to proclaim the gospel to all the world and resist the powers of evil, to share in Christ’s baptism and eat at his table,to join him in his passion and victory.

God promises to all who trust in the gospel forgiveness of sins and fullness of grace, courage in the struggle for justice and peace,the presence of the Holy Spirit in trial and rejoicing, and eternal life in that kingdom which has no end.

Blessing and honor, glory and power be unto God.

Amen.

What is so marginal about this?

 

[larkin31]

There is no such thing as marriage for same sex couples.

Now, in California, there is again.

 

[larkin31]

Get the women and children into the caves.

And at dawn, look to the east.

GKC

The Horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound in the deep, one last time!

LOVE IT!

 

[cecilia97]

Here is the Statement of Faith from the United Church of Christ:

What is so marginal about this?

For one, I don’t see the Trinity in there, or any mention that Christ is part of the Trinity except for the word “Lord” which could be interpreted in several ways. It’s rather vague and squishy language.

 

[larkin31]

For one, I don’t see the Trinity in there, or any mention that Christ is part of the Trinity except for the word “Lord” which could be interpreted in several ways. It’s rather vague and squishy language.

squishy isn’t next to apostasy

details come through other links

I was in this church. My confirmation had me learn and recite the Nicean Creed, all the names of the books of the bible, and other traditional approaches to Christianity. They fully believe in the Trinity.

Just no infallible pope!

 

[cecilia97]

squishy isn’t next to apostasy

details come through other links

I was in this church. My confirmation had me learn and recite the Nicean Creed, all the names of the books of the bible, and other traditional approaches to Christianity.** They fully believe in the Trinity**.

Just no infallible pope!

That’s wonderful, but from just that statement of faith, it seems that one could conclude Jesus was a holy man, prophet, or even some strange being a la the early heresies of Nestorianism, Arianism, or modalism.

 

[larkin31]

That’s wonderful, but from just that statement of faith, it seems that one could conclude Jesus was a holy man, prophet, or even some strange being a la the early heresies of Nestorianism, Arianism, or modalism.

That’s not accurate. But whatever. They are clearly very liberal, however.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Fell deeds awake! Now for Wrath! Now for Ruin! And a red dawn!!!

The Horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound in the deep, one last time!

LOVE IT!

 

[GKC]

Fell deeds awake! Now for Wrath! Now for Ruin! And a red dawn!!!

Have I ever mentioned that I met Gamling?

GKC

 

[larkin31]

Fell deeds awake! Now for Wrath! Now for Ruin! And a red dawn!!!

ok

I am heading down to my dvd player…

 

[larkin31]

Have I ever mentioned that I met Gamling?

GKC

jerk!