Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina leaves the Episcopal Church

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More like 50 years in California. Bishop Pike became bishop in September 1958. It’s been more an more liberal ever since. Liberalism has spread to the whole diocese.
GKC said:
Though I think this flows more from the source of 815, as it seeks to increase the powers of the presiding bishop’s office, fundamentally changing the historic ecclesiology of the church, that the TEC is unmoored and has been off the rails (mixed transportation metaphor, there) for 30 years and more.

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SaintPatrick333 said:
Protestantism is dying out as everyone knew it would eventually. In fifty to a hundred years episcopal/anglicans won’t exist anymore. Fortunately many are coming home to Truth in Catholicism.
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Your proposition is encourageing; your manner of presenting it is a bit caustic. I am delighted to know this fact; however, do you have evidence for it.

Sorry, if I appear judgmental.

Looking forward to the evidence:D
 
I somehow think the Anglican Communion will be around for quite some time to come. In some countries of Africa, notably Nigeria, there are more Anglicans than Roman Catholics. The Anglican Communion remains the third largest denomination in Christianity, behind Eastern Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic Church.

What will happen to the Episcopal Church in the USA is an open and interesting question.
Hamlet123 said:
Your proposition is encourageing; your manner of presenting it is a bit caustic. I am delighted to know this fact; however, do you have evidence for it.

Sorry, if I appear judgmental.

Looking forward to the evidence:D
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TEPO said:
Eh, I don’t know… The old ‘if you’re not with us then you’re against us’ attitude is really unproductive when it comes to faith in God.

I can’t blame Bishop Lawrence for sticking to his God given conscience. 🤷
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I agree. I said IF I had to take sides. So far, I don’t have to.
 
Rainaldo said:
:banghead:
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BobCatholic said:
They wanted to hold on to the Gospel of Jesus Christ instead of the anti-gospel of Karl Marx 🙂
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BobCatholic said:
huh?
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Looks to me that someone doesn’t like the mainstream liberalized theology of the Episcopal Church of the USA being called Communists…

I don’t much approve of stating such a comparison the way it was done by BobCatholic… but I can agree with the underlying sentiment that they’re adopting a bad subset of socialist values.
 
Socialists? Episcopalians have been known for years as “The Republican Party at prayer”. There are a lot of very rich Episcopalians and wealth does not lead to socialism.
 
andrewstx said:
Socialists? Episcopalians have been known for years as “The Republican Party at prayer”. There are a lot of very rich Episcopalians and wealth does not lead to socialism.
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LOL! “Republican Party at prayer” ??? Are you American? Seriously, that may have been true in the 1960s, but today the Episcopal Church is the closest thing to the Democratic Party at Prayer that you will find.

Support for abortion (“Abortion is a Blessing”), support for non-celibate homosexual priests, support for transgender priests, and throw in the occasional Zen Buddhist bishop-elect or priest turned Muslim and pagan idol worship for good measure.

Let us not forget the millions of dollars in mission funds allocated to groups such as militant Black Power groups, Puerto Rican Nationalists, Marxist film makers, and Third World Liberation movements. And who can forget the pagan rituals and the clouds of marijuana smoke incensing the sanctuary of Grace Cathedral, San Francisco in the 1970s.
 
Aramis said:
Looks to me that someone doesn’t like the mainstream liberalized theology of the Episcopal Church of the USA being called Communists…

I don’t much approve of stating such a comparison the way it was done by BobCatholic… but I can agree with the underlying sentiment that they’re adopting a bad subset of socialist values.
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I think you have misinterpreted what I said. I never said they were communist.

I meant Marxism, or the anti-Gospel of Karl Marx. Maybe I should have been clearer: Cultural Marxism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
"Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.
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Next time don’t jump to conclusions. Get exercise another way 🙂
 
BobCatholic said:
That still doesn’t change my clarification. I clearly said I was talking about Cultural Marxism.
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Which is still part of Communism.

The liberalism of the US Democrats or of the TEC-USA is not Marxism; it partially aligns to it, but goes well beyond; Marx was not pro-homosexuality. (I really think it didn’t cross his radar.) And the Soviet-Communists persecuted homosexuals in Marx’ name - under true Socialism, the duty of workers includes producing new workers for the state.

European and American Social Liberalism, including the Democrats, is a unique thing, including socialist provisions for the poor (moderately good) with pro-homosexuality, pro-abortion and pro-contraception (VERY bad).

TEC-USA is not entirely Socially Liberal - it’s more Libertarian from what I’ve seen - opposed to social programs and tax-funded initiatives, mildly pro-homosexuality, and pro-abortion, pro-contraception. That’s about 180° out from Marx.
 
Aramis said:
Which is still part of Communism.

The liberalism of the US Democrats or of the TEC-USA is not Marxism; it partially aligns to it, but goes well beyond; Marx was not pro-homosexuality. (I really think it didn’t cross his radar.) And the Soviet-Communists persecuted homosexuals in Marx’ name - under true Socialism, the duty of workers includes producing new workers for the state.

European and American Social Liberalism, including the Democrats, is a unique thing, including socialist provisions for the poor (moderately good) with pro-homosexuality, pro-abortion and pro-contraception (VERY bad).

TEC-USA is not entirely Socially Liberal - it’s more Libertarian from what I’ve seen - opposed to social programs and tax-funded initiatives, mildly pro-homosexuality, and pro-abortion, pro-contraception. That’s about 180° out from Marx.
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TEC is not opposed to social programs and tax-funded initiatives. TEC has its own federally funded social program: Episcopal Migration Ministries. The Federal government gives this TEC agency money to re-settle refugees in the United States.
 
Aramis said:
Which is still part of Communism.
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Communism deals with economics.

Marxism is a broader concept. Communism is the economic goal of Marxism - but there are also cultural goals.

And Cultural Marxism is the term that fits when the EC turns PC:
"Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious. "
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Since the original story broke there have been Episcopal Bishops that released statements about the matter.

Diocese of Georgia Bishop Benhase Statement on Situation in Diocese of S.C.

Response to the Inhibition of Bishop Mark Lawrence of South Carolina

From the Bishop: About South Carolina

There have also been letters of support from Global South Primates (Letter from the Global South Primates Steering Committeee to Bishop Mark Lawrence) and from the Archbishop of the Anglican Church in North America (An Open Word of Encouragement to the Bishops, Clergy and People of the Diocese of South Carolina).
 
ltwin said:
Since the original story broke there have been Episcopal Bishops that released statements about the matter.

Diocese of Georgia Bishop Benhase Statement on Situation in Diocese of S.C.

Response to the Inhibition of Bishop Mark Lawrence of South Carolina

From the Bishop: About South Carolina

There have also been letters of support from Global South Primates (Letter from the Global South Primates Steering Committeee to Bishop Mark Lawrence) and from the Archbishop of the Anglican Church in North America (An Open Word of Encouragement to the Bishops, Clergy and People of the Diocese of South Carolina).
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And for far more info, there’s a group of stickies on the blog of the Canon to the Diocesan for the Diocese of SC:

kendallharmon.net/t19/

At the top.

GKC
 
manualman said:
Sure, things have improved since the 90’s. But I not only lived through that, I lived in Archbishop Weakland’s Milwaukee Archdiocese (during the time he had a secret male lover). Trust me, it can get bad and ugly in the catholic church too. We’ve got no place to gloat over the troubles of others.
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The problems you have described are facts, but they are the sins of dissenters and sinful men, not of the Church and not committed in the name of the Church as we see happening in TEC.

Gloating over the troubles of other Christians is always sinful. Telling the truth is always righteous. The TEC, in its heresies, is committing institutional suicide and its days are numbered. Where would you have faithful Episcopalians go for orthodox Christianity?
 
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