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emeraldcoast
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Hi AnyoneAnybody,
Are you speaking of the the AIDS Interfaith Chapel at Grace Cathedral?
gracecathedral.org/enrichment/crypt/cry_20010905.shtml
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Are you speaking of the the AIDS Interfaith Chapel at Grace Cathedral?
gracecathedral.org/enrichment/crypt/cry_20010905.shtml
God Bless!
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anon52328184
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that is a beautiful cathedral. i wonder if when it was built in the 1930’s it served the very affluent. beautiful architecture.
i think i have heard of this cathedral before for perhaps being controversial.
definitely episcopal or anglican. has the English look. beautiful tapestries.
what is it with the labyrinth and the episcopal churches? what does that signify?
it is a beautiful place of worship.
i think i have heard of this cathedral before for perhaps being controversial.
definitely episcopal or anglican. has the English look. beautiful tapestries.
what is it with the labyrinth and the episcopal churches? what does that signify?
it is a beautiful place of worship.
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emeraldcoast
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Hi Debbie,
This is an article on our last church’s labyrinth it had in it.
fayobserver.com/article?id=267244
God Bless!
This is an article on our last church’s labyrinth it had in it.
fayobserver.com/article?id=267244
God Bless!
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anon52328184
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thanks Jane. i know our episcopal cathedral in phoenix has a labyrinth outside. they must be popular.
is hurrican hannah headed your direction? i will be praying for the east coast after hurrican gustaf is over!
is hurrican hannah headed your direction? i will be praying for the east coast after hurrican gustaf is over!
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emeraldcoast
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Lets just say that I am concerned about Gustaf right now, but think that we will be fine–just wet. The Emerald Coast is a beautiful location and a blessing for us but hurricane season keeps you on your toes…
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AnyoneAnybody
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The term “AIDS” was not present at the Chapel I saw, but you may be better disposed than I to say. Tell me more.
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emeraldcoast
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To be honest, I don’t know anymore to tell you then what I posted here. I don’t know what church you went to and if I did I would contact them directly to see what was going on.
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anon52328184
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did the church have a red door? a lot of episcopal churches have red doors.
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RosaMystica
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A Gilbert and Sullivan Parody . . . for Episcopalians
WE ARE THE VERY MODEL OF TODAY’S EPISCOPALIAN
We are the very model of today’s Episcopalian,
We’re broad and high and low and wide and somewhat bacchanalian,
We’re mystical, political, we’re secular and clerical;
We can be charismatic but we seldom get hysterical.
We’re traditional and modernist and socialist-monarchical;
We’re protestant and catholic but not too hierarchical;
About ordainig women we are teeming with a lot of views
As well as on the Prayerbook that our Bishops say we gotta use,
Chorus: As well as on the Prayerbook that our Bishops say we gotta use, etc.
We’re prosperous. By daily work our stewardship is merited,
Abetted by the little bit that some of us inherited;
In monetary matters we are very economical
The portion that we give the Church is best described as comical.
*Chorus *In monetary matters wer are very economical; the ortion that we give the Church is best described as comical.
We’re very well acquainted too with matters ecumenical,
In spite of beng vague about our vows catechumenical.
A knowledge of our church remains to most of us a mystery.
(Someday we’ll take the time to learn our heritage an history!)
Dont ask us what we mean with our responses doxological;
They sound so grand they must mean something highly theological!
In short, we’ve just a smattering of elementary Sunday School,
Including cheerful facts about the meaning of the Golden Rule.
*Chorus: *Including many facts about the meaning of the Golden Rule, etc.
Stuff like this is what I miss most about being an Anglican. We had – and I see some still have such a droll sense of their own foibles.
I love it! So hilarious and so true! I was Episcopalian after I was Evangelical. Then I was “Continuing Anglican,” now I’m home in Rome!! But I miss some of the Anglican culture too - the humor especially.
WE ARE THE VERY MODEL OF TODAY’S EPISCOPALIAN
We are the very model of today’s Episcopalian,
We’re broad and high and low and wide and somewhat bacchanalian,
We’re mystical, political, we’re secular and clerical;
We can be charismatic but we seldom get hysterical.
We’re traditional and modernist and socialist-monarchical;
We’re protestant and catholic but not too hierarchical;
About ordainig women we are teeming with a lot of views
As well as on the Prayerbook that our Bishops say we gotta use,
Chorus: As well as on the Prayerbook that our Bishops say we gotta use, etc.
We’re prosperous. By daily work our stewardship is merited,
Abetted by the little bit that some of us inherited;
In monetary matters we are very economical
The portion that we give the Church is best described as comical.
*Chorus *In monetary matters wer are very economical; the ortion that we give the Church is best described as comical.
We’re very well acquainted too with matters ecumenical,
In spite of beng vague about our vows catechumenical.
A knowledge of our church remains to most of us a mystery.
(Someday we’ll take the time to learn our heritage an history!)
Dont ask us what we mean with our responses doxological;
They sound so grand they must mean something highly theological!
In short, we’ve just a smattering of elementary Sunday School,
Including cheerful facts about the meaning of the Golden Rule.
*Chorus: *Including many facts about the meaning of the Golden Rule, etc.
Code:
This goes on for three more verses . . . St. Luke's Church, Fort Myers, Episcopal Diocese of Southwest Florida.I love it! So hilarious and so true! I was Episcopalian after I was Evangelical. Then I was “Continuing Anglican,” now I’m home in Rome!! But I miss some of the Anglican culture too - the humor especially.
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Peter_J
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That was great!
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Peter_J
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All true. And, taking it a step further, I think the Orthodox Churches have been very much influenced by the Greek, Russian, etc. cultures.
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kemushi
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I cannot believe it after reading all of this hate rhetoric. I was considering becoming Catholic, but seriously these boards ruined it for me. Clericalism, home made hatred, and down right False superiority! You need to look at yourselves before you judge someone else! Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. ***Case in point your pederast homosexual priests who molest children! ***
Sacramento CA Diocese faces legal battle upset at release of former priest responsible for molestation.
Before you start raging homicidal about other churches who ordain women and gay men, you should look at the shabby state of your own clerics.
BTW, Gene Robinson came out to his wife before they even got married!!! He also did not abandon her! They remain friends! Unlike you his own wife understands that as a soul he needs to be honest with himself and the world. She could not fault him. These things you say are lies.
Before you start criticizing a king hundreds of years ago who Rejected the pope based upon the Popes own flagrant abuses of power (political and ecumenical) and then start accusing the Episcopal church of always changing look at yourselves! There was a reason why HVIII separated the Church, and that is the same reason why Catholics are allowed to Annul today!
Christ laid down the Authority of the Church in Peter, he did not say that the church should be ruled by a heavy handed Pope. And while the EC at large does not recognize his authority it is certainly not beneath us to listen to him.
Last I would like to say that Catholics love to think of themselves as persecuted, when in fact they are the most top heavy persecuting egomaniacs around.
Good day.
Sacramento CA Diocese faces legal battle upset at release of former priest responsible for molestation.
Before you start raging homicidal about other churches who ordain women and gay men, you should look at the shabby state of your own clerics.
BTW, Gene Robinson came out to his wife before they even got married!!! He also did not abandon her! They remain friends! Unlike you his own wife understands that as a soul he needs to be honest with himself and the world. She could not fault him. These things you say are lies.
Before you start criticizing a king hundreds of years ago who Rejected the pope based upon the Popes own flagrant abuses of power (political and ecumenical) and then start accusing the Episcopal church of always changing look at yourselves! There was a reason why HVIII separated the Church, and that is the same reason why Catholics are allowed to Annul today!
To be quite honest if this was the circumstance that marked his first experience with marriage, at 17 to a woman 6 years his senior, specifically for the purpose of holding the court together, I can understand why he didn’t consider it very SACRAMENTAL.
Christ laid down the Authority of the Church in Peter, he did not say that the church should be ruled by a heavy handed Pope. And while the EC at large does not recognize his authority it is certainly not beneath us to listen to him.
Last I would like to say that Catholics love to think of themselves as persecuted, when in fact they are the most top heavy persecuting egomaniacs around.
Good day.
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GKC
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grandfather
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Mushi,
Thanks for the rant. Its good to be honest about what you really think. It gets it all out there. Best wishes on your spiritual journey.
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anon52328184
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i have to agree that henry was only 17!! i doubt if he had much say in his desire to marry his brother’s widow who was 6 years his senior. no wonder his eye began to wander as he got older. the only problem is, once he did get his marriage annulled from anne, he didn’t want to stop with one woman.I cannot believe it after reading all of this hate rhetoric. I was considering becoming Catholic, but seriously these boards ruined it for me. Clericalism, home made hatred, and down right False superiority! You need to look at yourselves before you judge someone else! Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. ***Case in point your pederast homosexual priests who molest children! ***
Sacramento CA Diocese faces legal battle upset at release of former priest responsible for molestation.
Before you start raging homicidal about other churches who ordain women and gay men, you should look at the shabby state of your own clerics.
BTW, Gene Robinson came out to his wife before they even got married!!! He also did not abandon her! They remain friends! Unlike you his own wife understands that as a soul he needs to be honest with himself and the world. She could not fault him. These things you say are lies.
Before you start criticizing a king hundreds of years ago who Rejected the pope based upon the Popes own flagrant abuses of power (political and ecumenical) and then start accusing the Episcopal church of always changing look at yourselves! There was a reason why HVIII separated the Church, and that is the same reason why Catholics are allowed to Annul today!
To be quite honest if this was the circumstance that marked his first experience with marriage, at 17 to a woman 6 years his senior, specifically for the purpose of holding the court together, I can understand why he didn’t consider it very SACRAMENTAL.
Christ laid down the Authority of the Church in Peter, he did not say that the church should be ruled by a heavy handed Pope. And while the EC at large does not recognize his authority it is certainly not beneath us to listen to him.
Last I would like to say that Catholics love to think of themselves as persecuted, when in fact they are the most top heavy persecuting egomaniacs around.
Good day.
he became a man consumed with his own self gratification i believe. i feel that he deserved the title of defender of the faith at one time, unfortunately,
he got carried away and became a very sinful man. i was episcopal/anglican for over 50 years and recently became catholic. there is a lot that separates them culturally. i can’t be much of an apologetic for the RCC since i haven’t been Catholic that long. there is a lot of bickering back and forth between Catholics and protestants that is for sure!
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kemushi
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Deborah:
You are right, Henry was downright letigious in his promiscuity. But some of that has to do with wanting at least one male heir (all of the ones born by Catherine and Anne died), on some level you have to blame both his own recklessness along with all of the other criminality of the time and culture. There is something to be said for being a product of one’s environment. Excuses aside, I don’t think that at any time Henry took on the faith of the British people as his own empire, but more just wrestled power from the hands of a foreign entity (the pope(s)) who were intent upon ruling both religiously and politically the entire world. The whole reason for the split in the first place was due to Pope Clement VII basically sitting on the idea of Henry’s annulment for several years. Political manipulations ensued on both sides.
People will discredit the modern church today, for some off handed comment about how Henry was a womanizer and wanted to divorce his wife so he fired the Holy See. The details are much more complicated than that, and involve many more players than just Henry. And while I could never defend such a man, I don’t find attending the church he essentially “founded” or stole from Rome even, to be either that much different, worse off, or unholy.
But hey, stuck in the mud catholics have their reasons for disliking TEC and Anglicans. I guess I now have my reasons for disliking them.
You are right, Henry was downright letigious in his promiscuity. But some of that has to do with wanting at least one male heir (all of the ones born by Catherine and Anne died), on some level you have to blame both his own recklessness along with all of the other criminality of the time and culture. There is something to be said for being a product of one’s environment. Excuses aside, I don’t think that at any time Henry took on the faith of the British people as his own empire, but more just wrestled power from the hands of a foreign entity (the pope(s)) who were intent upon ruling both religiously and politically the entire world. The whole reason for the split in the first place was due to Pope Clement VII basically sitting on the idea of Henry’s annulment for several years. Political manipulations ensued on both sides.
People will discredit the modern church today, for some off handed comment about how Henry was a womanizer and wanted to divorce his wife so he fired the Holy See. The details are much more complicated than that, and involve many more players than just Henry. And while I could never defend such a man, I don’t find attending the church he essentially “founded” or stole from Rome even, to be either that much different, worse off, or unholy.
But hey, stuck in the mud catholics have their reasons for disliking TEC and Anglicans. I guess I now have my reasons for disliking them.
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grandfather
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Hey, How many people do you know who had six wives and how many playthings on the side? It was very complicated trying to have a boy. He is your guy, old Henry. You gotta go to bat for him, after all. Make an excuse for the old lecher. Anything to have a son. He was a desrarate man. He wasn’t driven by lust. It was all quite noble. He just wanted a boy.Deborah:
You are right, Henry was downright letigious in his promiscuity. But some of that has to do with wanting at least one male heir (all of the ones born by Catherine and Anne died), on some level you have to blame both his own recklessness along with all of the other criminality of the time and culture.
But hey, stuck in the mud catholics have their reasons for disliking TEC and Anglicans. I guess I now have my reasons for disliking them.
In November 1534 Parliament declared Henry the lecher head of the Church of England. What a joke. His church is coming apart at the seams. Its leadership can’t figure out men marry women. What a mess. No matter, hang in there. Keep the faith English. tut-tut! cheerio! Three cheers for Robinson and Shori, I say.
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anon52328184
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yes, you are right. i neglected to include a fact that definitely influenced henry’s decision and that is the fact that he needed a male heir.
in those times, that was very important also. and henry might have been something of a romantic also, and was smitten with anne and was in love and preferred to be married to someone who he was actually in love with.
i do remember reading a quote that henry made. he said that classifying people as lutherans, anabaptists and (i forgot the 3rd group) was the work of the devil. i think he was right. as his reign went on and he lost many of his close friends and men he had worked with, i think he wondered if it had all been worth it.
have you heard of an author named c.j.sansom? he has written 3 historical fiction novels which are very good. they take place during the reign of henry viii. the first book is called dissolution and is around the time he was married to anne. the second book is dark fire and the 3rd book is sovereign. they are mysteries and the author is a historian i believe. the main character is a lawyer and he is in the middle of everything that is going on between the reformers and the catholics and lord cromwell and thomas cranmer. it gives you a good idea of all that was going on at that time in england. they were dangerous times if you were on the wrong side.
it was actually during the reign of elizabeth I that england became protestant.
it is all very complicated and political. i was naive as an episcopalian and an anglican. i didn’t learn that much about the history of my church.
the catholics do see themselves as the one true church and feel that the churches who broke away from Rome were not right to do so. you have to look at it from their perspective. whether they are right or not, i do not know.
this takes a lot of study about the Reformation and the history of the Catholic church. there is more to it than you think.
in those times, that was very important also. and henry might have been something of a romantic also, and was smitten with anne and was in love and preferred to be married to someone who he was actually in love with.
i do remember reading a quote that henry made. he said that classifying people as lutherans, anabaptists and (i forgot the 3rd group) was the work of the devil. i think he was right. as his reign went on and he lost many of his close friends and men he had worked with, i think he wondered if it had all been worth it.
have you heard of an author named c.j.sansom? he has written 3 historical fiction novels which are very good. they take place during the reign of henry viii. the first book is called dissolution and is around the time he was married to anne. the second book is dark fire and the 3rd book is sovereign. they are mysteries and the author is a historian i believe. the main character is a lawyer and he is in the middle of everything that is going on between the reformers and the catholics and lord cromwell and thomas cranmer. it gives you a good idea of all that was going on at that time in england. they were dangerous times if you were on the wrong side.
it was actually during the reign of elizabeth I that england became protestant.
it is all very complicated and political. i was naive as an episcopalian and an anglican. i didn’t learn that much about the history of my church.
the catholics do see themselves as the one true church and feel that the churches who broke away from Rome were not right to do so. you have to look at it from their perspective. whether they are right or not, i do not know.
this takes a lot of study about the Reformation and the history of the Catholic church. there is more to it than you think.
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jesusluv
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No one is defending him, read the freaking posts above yours. All that is being said now is England splitting from Rome was deeper than Henry wanting a divorce, and you would have to be an idiot not to see that.
You also can’t defend the power Rome wielded over Europe at the time. That is where I will point, as a Catholic, to the Holy See venturing away from what it was originally intended to do. It has since came back, in my opinion, to where it needs to be, simply spiritual leadership.
By all means, keep spitting the same venom you’ve spit throughout this entire thread though, it’s doing wonders for the opinions of those who aren’t Roman Catholic.
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GKC
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It was much deeper than Henry wanting a decree of nullity, as you say. And broader too, across Europe.
Rather than reading historical fiction (which is fun, to be sure), I’d recommend J. J. Scarisbrick’s magnificent HENRY VIII bio, for an understanding of the man, the era and the issues. Not to worry, Scarisbrick is RC. The book is essential.
And certainly, reading widely and deeply is recommended. History is complex. And it was Edward VI’s period that saw the shift to the reformed side (that’s addressed to deborahaz).
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