Eradication of Violence in Muslims – A Peaceful Approach

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oh many ,just see who invaded iraq 😉
Christianity invaded Iraq???

You answers are getting more silly by the minute.
Who is doing the bombings over there now? I believe it is muslim blowing up muslim now isnt it?
I dont see the Americans, British, Australians or any other nation taking part over there bombing mosques… its the muslims!
 
And what is the title of this thread…
Eradication of Violence in Muslims – A Peaceful Approach

I dont see you making any peaceful approaches, which is all paarsurrey was aiming for.
You call Paarsurrey a non muslim.
If all muslims were like him, this world would be so much more peaceful.
Paarsurrey is a model of what Islam should be, but you have shown its true colours on many levels ahmadhassan.
Now lets stop hijacking this thread and let Paarsurrey continue with what he has to say.
Thank you
 
And what is the title of this thread…
Eradication of Violence in Muslims – A Peaceful Approach

I dont see you making any peaceful approaches, which is all paarsurrey was aiming for.
You call Paarsurrey a non muslim.
If all muslims were like him, this world would be so much more peaceful.
Paarsurrey is a model of what Islam should be, but you have shown its true colours on many levels ahmadhassan.
Now lets stop hijacking this thread and let Paarsurrey continue with what he has to say.
Thank you
I second this…
 
Christianity invaded Iraq???

You answers are getting more silly by the minute.
Who is doing the bombings over there now? I believe it is muslim blowing up muslim now isnt it?
I dont see the Americans, British, Australians or any other nation taking part over there bombing mosques… its the muslims!
i`m talking about invading iraq it was by christians 😉
 
And what is the title of this thread…
Eradication of Violence in Muslims – A Peaceful Approach

I dont see you making any peaceful approaches, which is all paarsurrey was aiming for.
You call Paarsurrey a non muslim.
If all muslims were like him, this world would be so much more peaceful.
Paarsurrey is a model of what Islam should be, but you have shown its true colours on many levels ahmadhassan.
Now lets stop hijacking this thread and let Paarsurrey continue with what he has to say.
Thank you
i`m saying that islam is a peacefull religion and what few muslims do doesnt mean that all muslims are bad ,while many christians attacked iraq:thumbsup:
 
i`m saying that islam is a peacefull religion and what few muslims do doesnt mean that all muslims are bad ,while many christians attacked iraq:thumbsup:
The forces who attacked Iraq are members of just about every relgion on earth… to inlcude Muslims. Do you have any idea how many Muslims are in the US Military? My son’s unit is about 1/3 to 1/2 Muslim. they cannot wait to get to iraq to help get rid of the terrorsits who are ruining the reprutation of their religion. Get a clue.
 
Thank you parasuay for making this topic!
Now I have a question, if I might ask.
On the belief of mahdi among muslims, they believe the “mahdi” will come, then “Jesus”, who will kill the “dajaal.” the ahmadi belief of Jesus (which i do not remember his name lol) did not do such! How do ahmadis explain this? Perhaps a different interperetation or something?
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This is a common misunderstanding/misconception that Muslims/Christian think that Mahdi is a different person and Masih (Jesus/Messiah/Ibne-Maryam) is a different person. Actually these are two aspects of the same Divine-Guide. Dajjal (the Deceiver, is Satan) and you would agree that killing Satan/Devil is not physically/literally possible. Those who follow Devil would be convinced with very effective arguments, reasons and peaceful dialogue; so Devils hold on those who follow him would be rooted out; no killing of any humans anywhere is involved. This is in short
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You might like to read
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
from the Official Website of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
 
may allah curse that who insult prophet muhammad
May Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, bless you, ahmadhassan.

You will be included by name when I pray the Rosary today.

May the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, known by her name Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us, and an era of peace be granted to the world.

~~ the phoenix
 
May Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, bless you, ahmadhassan.

You will be included by name when I pray the Rosary today.

May the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, known by her name Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us, and an era of peace be granted to the world.

~~ the phoenix
thanx alot you are so kind 🙂
 
oh ,first the prophet isnt guilty
You forgot to add pbuh…you better say a few extra rakka today.

The false prophet of allah is guilty of every crime commited in his name.
second ,do obey your book:D
Do not obey yours, for it is an instruction to fight all non-mohammedans, and hate all that is not Islam.
 
You forgot to add pbuh…you better say a few extra rakka today.

The false prophet of allah is guilty of every crime commited in his name.
can you prove your claims
Do not obey yours, for it is an instruction to fight all non-mohammedans, and hate all that is not Islam.
islam forbide on me to fight who wanna peace with me 🙂
 
can you prove your claims
Yes, I can.
islam forbide on me to fight who wanna peace with me 🙂
Only for other mohammedans is that true. Islam requires you to fight until there is no more disbelief in allah with your money and your lives. Peace to a mohammedan is submission of others until all are enslaved by either coverting or paying a yearly ransom. The dead do not care about peace, and that is ok with you too, isn’t it?
 
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Returning on the subject:
The PromisedMessiah ImamMahdi explains his points of view and says further on the subject:
"Let it be known that most Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) went alive to the heavens; both these people have believed for a long time that Jesus (on whom be peace) is still alive in the heavens, and will sometime in the latter days come down to the earth. The difference in their views, i.e. the view of the followers of Islam and that of the Christians, is only this, that the Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) died on the Cross, was resurrected, and went to the heavens in his earthly body, seated himself on the right hand of his Father, and will come to the earth in the latter days for judgment; they also say that the Creator and the Master of the world is this Jesus the Messiah and no one else; he it is who, in the latter days of the world, will descend to the earth with a glorious descent to award punishment and reward; then, all who will not believe in him or his mother as God, will be hauled up and thrown into hell, where weeping and wailing will be their lot. But the aforesaid sects of Muslims say that Jesus (on whom be peace) was not crucified, nor did he die on the Cross; on the other hand, when the Jews arrested him in order to crucify him an angel of God took him away to the heavens in his earthly body, and he is still alive in the heavens - which, they say, is the second heaven where is also the prophet Yahya, i.e. John. Muslims, moreover, also say that Jesus (on whom be peace) is an eminent prophet of God, but not God, nor the son of God, and, they believe that he will in the latter days descend to the earth, near the Minaret of Damascus or near some other place, supported on the shoulders of two angels, and that he and Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, who will be already in the world, and who will be a Fatimite, will kill all the non-Muslims, not leaving anyone alive except those who will forthwith and without any delay become Muslims. In short, the real object of the descent of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the earth, as stated by Muslim sects known as Ahl-i-Sunnat or Ahl-i-Hadith called Wahabis by the common people - is that, like the Mahadev of the Hindus, he should destroy the whole world; that he should first threaten the people to become Muslims and then, if they persist in disbelief, massacre them all with the sword; they moreover say that he is alive in the heavens in his earthly body, so that, when Muslim powers become weak, he will come down and kill the non-Muslims or coerce them on pain of death to become Muslims. Regarding the Christians especially, the divines of the aforesaid sects state that when Jesus (on whom be peace) comes down from the heavens he will break all the Crosses in the world, do many a cruel deed with the sword, and inundate the world with blood. And, just as I have stated, these people, i.e. the Ahl-i-Hadith etc. from among the Muslims, are enthusiastic about their belief that a short time before the coming down of the Messiah there will appear an Imam from the Bani Fatima whose name will be Muhammad, the Mahdi. He it is who will be Khalifa and King of the time, and as he will belong to the Koraish, his real object will be to kill all non-Muslims except those who readily recite the Kalima. Jesus (on whom be peace) will come down in order to help him in his work; and although Jesus himself (on whom be peace) will be a Mahdi - nay, a greater Mahdi - yet, because it is essential that the Khalifa of the time should be a Koraish, Jesus (on whom be peace) will not be the Khalifa of the time; the Khalifa of the time will be that same Muhammad, the Mahdi. Muslims say that these two together will fill the earth with the blood of man, and they will shed more blood than has ever been shed before in the history of the world. No sooner will they appear than they will start this bloody campaign; they will neither preach nor plead, nor show any sign. And they also say that although Jesus (on whom be peace) will be like an adviser or a lieutenant of Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, and although the reins of power will be in the hands of the Mahdi only, Jesus (on whom be peace) will instigate Hazrat Imam Muhammad, the Mahdi, to massacre the whole world and will advise him to adopt extreme measures, i.e. he will make amends for the humane teaching which he had given to the world before, namely, ‘not to resist evil,’ and, being struck on one cheek, ‘to turn the other cheek also.’
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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi extends his argument further:
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

"This is what Muslims and Christians believe regarding Jesus (on whom be peace), and while it is a great error to call him, as the Christians do - a humble man - God, the beliefs of some of the followers of Islam, among whom is the sect called Ahl-i-Hadith also known as Wahabis, regarding a bloody Mahdi and a bloody Messiah, are affecting their morals very badly, so much so, that on account of their bad influence their dealings with other people are not based on honesty and good will, nor can they be truly and completely loyal to a non-Muslim Government. All reasonable men will realise that such a belief, namely, that non-Muslims should be subjected to coercion, that they should either forthwith become Muslims or be put to death, is open to the most serious objections.
Every conscientious person will readily admit that before a man adequately realises the truth of a Faith, and before he has comprehended its beauties and its wholesome teachings, it is extremely undesirable to coerce him, on pain of death, to adopt that Faith. Far from contributing to the growth of that Faith, this would furnish the opponents with an opportunity to find fault with it. The ultimate result of a principle like this is that hearts become devoid of the quality of human sympathy and that mercy and justice, which are great human moral qualities, take leave of men, and instead, spitefulness and enmity tend to grow; there remain behind only the animal passions, wiping out all high moral qualities. But it would be noticed that such a teaching could not have proceeded from God, Who sends His punishment only after He has completed His argument.

Let this therefore be pondered over: that if there is a man who does not accept the true Faith because he is yet ignorant and unaware of its truth, of its teachings and its beauties, would it be reasonable to kill such a man forthwith? Nay, this man deserves pity; he deserves to be instructed gently and politely in the truth, beauty and the spiritual benefit of that faith; not that his denial should be met by the sword or the gun. So, the doctrine of Jihad proposed by these sects of Islam, as well as the belief that the time is near when there will arise a bloody Mahdi whose name would be Imam Muhammad, that the Messiah will come down from the heavens for his help, and that both together will kill all non-Muslim people if they deny Islam, is utterly opposed to our moral sense. Is not this the belief which puts out of action all good human qualities and morals, and encourages the qualities of life in the jungle?
Those who hold such beliefs live a life of hypocrisy in relation to others, so much so that they cannot give true loyalty to state authorities of another Faith; they dishonestly profess to give allegiance to them, which is wrong. That is why some of the Ahl-i-Hadith sects mentioned by me just now are living a double life under the British Government in British India. In secret, they hold out hopes to the common people of the coming of bloody days of a bloody Mahdi and a bloody Messiah, and instruct them accordingly, but when they go to the authorities they flatter them and assure them that they do not approve of such ideas. If, however, they are really opposed to such ideas, why do they not propagate this in writing, and why should they await the coming of that bloody Mahdi and the Messiah standing as it were at the doorsteps, ready to join them in their campaign? "
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Hi
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi extends his argument further:
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

"This is what Muslims and Christians believe regarding Jesus (on whom be peace), and while it is a great error to call him, as the Christians do - a humble man - God, the beliefs of some of the followers of Islam, among whom is the sect called Ahl-i-Hadith also known as Wahabis, regarding a bloody Mahdi and a bloody Messiah, are affecting their morals very badly, so much so, that on account of their bad influence their dealings with other people are not based on honesty and good will, nor can they be truly and completely loyal to a non-Muslim Government. All reasonable men will realise that such a belief, namely, that non-Muslims should be subjected to coercion, that they should either forthwith become Muslims or be put to death, is open to the most serious objections.
Every conscientious person will readily admit that before a man adequately realises the truth of a Faith, and before he has comprehended its beauties and its wholesome teachings, it is extremely undesirable to coerce him, on pain of death, to adopt that Faith. Far from contributing to the growth of that Faith, this would furnish the opponents with an opportunity to find fault with it. The ultimate result of a principle like this is that hearts become devoid of the quality of human sympathy and that mercy and justice, which are great human moral qualities, take leave of men, and instead, spitefulness and enmity tend to grow; there remain behind only the animal passions, wiping out all high moral qualities. But it would be noticed that such a teaching could not have proceeded from God, Who sends His punishment only after He has completed His argument.

Let this therefore be pondered over: that if there is a man who does not accept the true Faith because he is yet ignorant and unaware of its truth, of its teachings and its beauties, would it be reasonable to kill such a man forthwith? Nay, this man deserves pity; he deserves to be instructed gently and politely in the truth, beauty and the spiritual benefit of that faith; not that his denial should be met by the sword or the gun. So, the doctrine of Jihad proposed by these sects of Islam, as well as the belief that the time is near when there will arise a bloody Mahdi whose name would be Imam Muhammad, that the Messiah will come down from the heavens for his help, and that both together will kill all non-Muslim people if they deny Islam, is utterly opposed to our moral sense. Is not this the belief which puts out of action all good human qualities and morals, and encourages the qualities of life in the jungle?
Those who hold such beliefs live a life of hypocrisy in relation to others, so much so that they cannot give true loyalty to state authorities of another Faith; they dishonestly profess to give allegiance to them, which is wrong. That is why some of the Ahl-i-Hadith sects mentioned by me just now are living a double life under the British Government in British India. In secret, they hold out hopes to the common people of the coming of bloody days of a bloody Mahdi and a bloody Messiah, and instruct them accordingly, but when they go to the authorities they flatter them and assure them that they do not approve of such ideas. If, however, they are really opposed to such ideas, why do they not propagate this in writing, and why should they await the coming of that bloody Mahdi and the Messiah standing as it were at the doorsteps, ready to join them in their campaign? "
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Most of this is exactly what most of the non-Muslims have been saying (except about how Jesus is).

Again I really do appreciate your sect of Islam and hope more Muslims come to see things your way.
 
I lived in a village in West Africa for 2 years. Everyone was Muslim, except me. They were/are peaceful Muslims, though al Qaeda would certainly kill them all/enslave them because they are Sufi Muslims. I was treated with great respect as a non-Muslim, though I was strictly forbidden from proselytizing.

That being said, I heard occasional rants by various Imams preaching about the spread of moral filth (abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, materialism) by Americans via TV/music/movies into their pure culture. The call for violent jihad was being made that far from the Middle East.

I lived in that Muslim country from 1996 to 1998.

Based on my experience, we can best support peaceful Muslims by … reaching out to Muslim nations with aid (not tied to pro-abortion education requirements), industry, and diplomacy.
 
I lived in a village in West Africa for 2 years. Everyone was Muslim, except me. They were/are peaceful Muslims, though al Qaeda would certainly kill them all/enslave them because they are Sufi Muslims. I was treated with great respect as a non-Muslim, though I was strictly forbidden from proselytizing.

That being said, I heard occasional rants by various Imams preaching about the spread of moral filth (abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, materialism) by Americans via TV/music/movies into their pure culture. The call for violent jihad was being made that far from the Middle East.

I lived in that Muslim country from 1996 to 1998.

Based on my experience, we can best support peaceful Muslims by swiftly and savagely killing the Islamofascists while simultaneously reaching out to Muslim nations with aid (not tied to pro-abortion education requirements), industry, and diplomacy.
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Thanks for your post, I appreciate it.
 
Why is ISLAM so peaceful to non-Muslims.

The Qur’anic peace (“…be merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Sura 48:29) compared to in the beatitudes (Matthew 5:3), it is the Christian principle to “love your enemies” (whereby Christians are by mandated to love all Muslims). The Muslim concept can be viewed as the opposite extreme as is evident in the Hadith where they are required to persecute the Christians & Jews:

***“when judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim, a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire.” ***(Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no.5552)

Even the Qur’an alludes to the fact that Muslims are to not befriend Jews or Christians.
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them. Allah guideth not a people unjust.” Sura 5:51

Sura 5:51, 9:5, 9:29 and many others verses have given rise to cultural divisions and this attitude is even applied today with the infamous and influential Muslim, **Ayatollah Khomeini’s **contempt for non-Muslims:
There are eleven things which are impure: urine, excrement, sperm, bones, blood, dogs, pigs, non-Muslim men and women, wine, beer, and the sweat of the excrement-eating camel.
*Every part of the body of a non-Muslim individual is impure, even the hair on his hand and his body hair, his nails, and all the secretions of the body.
Any man or woman who denies the existence of Allah, or believes in His partners [the Christian Trinity], or else does not believe in His Prophet Muhammad, is impure (in the same way as are excrement, urine, dog, and wine). He is so even if he doubts any one of these principles.
It is forbidden to touch a page of the Qur’an with anything impure; if such a thing should happen, the page must immediately be washed.
One must avoid giving the Qur’an to an infidel; it is even recommended that it be **forcibly taken away ***from him if he already has it in his hands”

In Conclusion:
What the West doesn’t understand is that according to Islam, Sura 2:256, which teaches freedom of religion, **IS NO LONGER VALID AS IT HAS BEEN ABROGATED ‘Naskh’ BY LATER REVELATIONS **which were given to Mohammed.

In his book, How to Perfect the Science of the Qur’an (Al-Itqan), writes Mr. Al-Syoti, in volume 2 page 37; “**THE VERSE OF THE SWORD 9:5 HAS ABROGATED (annulled, cancelled) one hundred and twenty four Qur’anic verses and all what came in the Qur’an on matters of forgiving and ignoring, unbelievers have been replaced (Mansookha), BY THE VERSE OF THE SWORD.” **

This is also conferred by the highest of the interpreters of the Qur’an. For further evidence refer to the following; Kitab Al-Nasekh Wal-mansookh, by Al-Neesaburi. Al-Hafeth Ibnu Katheer Ibin Abas. Al-Tasheel Lulum Al-Tanzeel. Al-Husain Ibn Fadl. Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Hazm. Al-Muhaqiq Abu Al-Qasim Hibatullah Ibn Salameh. Al-Sudy Wa-AlDahak. Muhammad Abdulsalam Faraj.

The evidence on the abrogation of verses which calls for tolerance and patience CANNOT BE REFUTED. PEOPLE IN THE WEST NEED TO BE AWAKENED, they cannot ignore what is really taught in the East, that is; to Islamize the West. Again, the banners one sees in all Islamic rallies and demonstrations proves the point - “Islam to the World.” (Walid, Crash Course in Jihad, pg 4)

VERY PEACEFUL…
 
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