Eternal Happiness is an illusion

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Let us use the analogy of a donkey led by a carrot on a stick. Some might suggest the string ought to be cut so that the donkey can get what he wants without all the effort.

But what if the carrot itself is an illusion? Over time as the carrot decays, the donkey forgets what he was even chasing.

…If you want a carrot, plant a carrot and care for it until it is ready to eat. It takes dedication.
 
Let us use the analogy of a donkey led by a carrot on a stick. Some might suggest the string ought to be cut so that the donkey can get what he wants without all the effort.

But what if the carrot itself is an illusion? Over time as the carrot decays, the donkey forgets what he was even chasing.

…If you want a carrot, plant a carrot and care for it until it is ready to eat. It takes dedication.
That is why we **work **for eternal life in heaven - Jesus told us only those who help the least of his brothers, and do his Father’s will, will be in heaven in the end. Sowing, buying the seed, planting it, watering it, waiting for it, and then having the carrot.

But I would prefer a banana myself. 😃
 
That is why we **work **for eternal life in heaven - Jesus told us only those who help the least of his brothers, and do his Father’s will, will be in heaven in the end. Sowing, buying the seed, planting it, watering it, waiting for it, and then having the carrot.
Is the carrot there for motivational purposes, or does it actually resemble eternal happiness?
 
Is the carrot there for motivational purposes, or does it actually resemble eternal happiness?
Both. Jesus’ teachings are great, IMO, because if we apply them in this life you will either feel great about yourself or receive very much even if there is no afterlife. So, we should do it because we want to be like Jesus, not for the reward of life, but that can be a good prompt. Now, it is real eternal happiness - you will always be happy and always be there, until the resurrection, when we get a new, better eternal happiness.
 
Let us use the analogy of a donkey led by a carrot on a stick. Some might suggest the string ought to be cut so that the donkey can get what he wants without all the effort.

But what if the carrot itself is an illusion? Over time as the carrot decays, the donkey forgets what he was even chasing.

…If you want a carrot, plant a carrot and care for it until it is ready to eat. It takes dedication.
What is somebody’s analogies are the illusions, and eternal happiness as Catholics teach is the truth?
 
Both. Jesus’ teachings are great, IMO, because if we apply them in this life you will either feel great about yourself or receive very much even if there is no afterlife. So, we should do it because we want to be like Jesus, not for the reward of life, but that can be a good prompt. Now, it is real eternal happiness - you will always be happy and always be there, until the resurrection, when we get a new, better eternal happiness.
What if the carrot **and **the stick were both still present but somehow invisible, without the donkey ever knowing of their presence. What should the donkey do?
 
What if the carrot **and **the stick were both still present but somehow invisible, without the donkey ever knowing of their presence. What should the donkey do?
The Donkey should do what his master tells him to do anyway.

And no thread - no idea - is useless.
 
Donkeys don’t possess the capacity for rational thought. People do.
 
Donkeys don’t possess the capacity for rational thought. People do.
Obviously the donkey resembles Human Beings.

I am asking if the carrot and stick were always present, but could not be physically seen, how do we go about acknowledging its existence?

And if Jesus is the answer, was He here to at least tell us it exists?
 
Obviously the donkey resembles Human Beings.

I am asking if the carrot and stick were always present, but could not be physically seen, how do we go about acknowledging its existence?

And if Jesus is the answer, was He here to at least tell us it exists?
We are told about it through revelation. So Jesus told us morals and that it exists, but that’s not his purpose here. Or, it’s part of it.
 
This thread seems to be going off in many directions from the first question, but I would say one difference between the donkey and the carrot and the Catholic following the teachings of the Church is that the donkey’s reward is always just out of reach, whereas the Catholic finds that the journey to the ultimate reward is itself a reward.

In any case, even if the carrot (heaven) were an illusion, the virtues to which we are called by the Church are ultimately for the better health of each and every one of us, even now on Earth.
 
It’s an illusion that belief in Eternal Happiness is an illusion! What evidence is there that it doesn’t exist? How can finite beings in time and space with limited knowledge and insight know what it is possible in eternity?

At certain moments many of us have experienced so much joy it seems like a glimpse of heaven… How can that be explained?
 
We are told about it through revelation. So Jesus told us morals and that it exists, but that’s not his purpose here. Or, it’s part of it.
So this revelation comes to us by living these morals?
It’s an illusion that belief in Eternal Happiness is an illusion! What evidence is there that it doesn’t exist? How can finite beings in time and space with limited knowledge and insight know what it is possible in eternity?

At certain moments many of us have experienced so much joy it seems like a glimpse of heaven… How can that be explained?
Why can’t this illusion be anything we want it to be? My Eternal Happiness is already present around me.
 
So this revelation comes to us by living these morals?

Why can’t this illusion be anything we want it to be? My Eternal Happiness is already present around me.
A very important point. Our world is what we make it: we view things positively or negatively. One prisoner sees bars while another sees stars!

But it’s not** anything** we want it to be. If we think everything exists solely for our benefit we have an unbalanced view of reality and we are bound to come to grief - literally. That’s where morality comes in. It’s simply a recipe for happiness! 🙂
 
So this revelation comes to us by living these morals?
No, the morals let us achieve it. We have it revealed to us independently of them.
Why can’t this illusion be anything we want it to be? My Eternal Happiness is already present around me.
But that’s not eternal. When you die, that form of happiness ends. You may be put in heaven, where you get more eternal happiness, or hell where… ouch. I don’t know. This is, however, what I was getting at before - Jesus’ morals allow us to be happy in this world even without an afterlife.
 
Shouldn’t morals reveal it to us? How are you saying it is revealed?
Earlier you were asking about the donkey and the carrot. When I was a kid, I tried that trick on a horse, as I imagine a lot of kids with horses have done. My brother and I were skylarking and so I held out a carrot on a stick over the horses head. We had a good laugh. However, all I manged to do was tease the poor horse. It didn’t move forward, or attempt to go faster to get to the carrot. It simply craned and stretched its neck and even moved around in circles trying to get that little bit of pleasure. Now a horse is not a dumb creature. After a short while it stopped attempting to get the carrot because, of course, the carrot just stayed out of reach every time the horse moved, so instead it just stood and stared at the carrot, unable to concentrate or look at anything else. I suppose the horse could smell that carrot too, which would add to the sense of frustration. Once I removed the carrot and the stick, it kept turning to look at me, wondering where the carrot was. I gave the horse the carrot and we both moved on. The horse stayed a horse and did exactly what it was supposed to and we got along just fine. The horse was trained, you see and wasn’t just a wild, uncontrolled beast that couldn’t get along with anyone and because it was a trained, well mannered animal, it was trusted. You see, a horse that can’t be trusted has a very uncomfortable existence and is eventually consigned to the knackery and turned into dog meat and glue. A horse that only moves forward because it can see a carrot out in front of its head is an inconvenience because you always have to have a carrot in plain view to make the horse a trustworthy animal and to ensure it acts like a horse simply because there’s a carrot to be had. In fact, that method, that is, dangling a carrot in plain view all the time, is compromising the true nature of the horse. The horse is so busy craning its head, struggling so much to reach that carrot, that it is not actually acting like a horse. Horses like to do things with people, like go exploring, galloping and seeing new things, saying hello to other horses, to enjoy being themselves and even rubbing their heads against you for a bit of affection. All that goes out the window when you dangle a carrot in plain view of the horses eyes, but just out of reach. Why, they become so enamoured of the carrot, even if for just a short time, so engrossed in obtaining that bit of satisfaction, I swear you could lead them over a cliff and they wouldn’t notice. Of course, if you give the horse the carrot, it comes to expect even more carrots and before you know it, they act like spoilt brats and maybe even bite you if they don’t get their carrot. You end up with a horse that will only behave according to its mood at the time and that makes it unpredictable, untrustworthy and even downright dangerous. Now without the carrot, the horse acts like a horse should act, because that’s a comfortable way to act, life is pleasing and the horse is trusted and even loved. The horse knows he’ll get a good feed at the end of the day and be well rugged up against the cold and that’s good enough for him. And even if there’s a shortage of grain and he goes hungry at the end of the day, at least the day was kind to him and he acted just like a horse should act.

It’s all a bit like people, don’t you think?
 
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