More nonsense.Eternal life is eternal suffering when it is limited since we get used to any state of limited joy, then get frustrated and start to suffer. This means that Heaven is a misleading concept since it cannot promise an infinite joy because we are limited creature.
CCC said:1029 In the glory of heaven the blessed continue joyfully to fulfill God’s will in relation to other men and to all creation. Already they reign with Christ; with him "they shall reign for ever and ever."605
CCC said:1024 This perfect life with the Most Holy Trinity - this communion of life and love with the Trinity, with the Virgin Mary, the angels and all the blessed - is called “heaven.” Heaven is the ultimate end and fulfillment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness.
It is not nonsense if you pay attention to your experience and reflect a little. We are limited creature and what we get is what we experience which is limited hence an infinite life with limited experience is a permanent torture. Do you want me to say more?More nonsense.
Are humans persons eternal? No. We are limited, dependent beings. Our nature is not eternal. Our souls were created and are forever dependent on God’s sustaining love.Eternal life is eternal suffering when it is limited since we get used to any state of limited joy, then get frustrated and start to suffer. This means that Heaven is a misleading concept since it cannot promise an infinite joy because we are limited creature.
We will be limited anyway since we cannot be God hence we cannot see the full picture opposite to what you claim.Pretty big leap to state that’s how things will be in a place/state no one alive on earth has ever been. As a human being on this earth we have a very narrow view of life limited to our sensory (name removed by moderator)ut - we don’t even see creation as it truly is - we can’t even see the full color spectrum and who knows what else in a multidimensional universe - the big picture will be revealed when we move on.
I am glad you get this. We will be limited in Heaven anyway forced to have an eternal life. What is the conclusion?Its our limits to living in our bodies that makes it seem this way.
It is blindingly obvious that putting too much sugar into a dish makes it exactly as horrible as putting too much salt into it. (For those who need a little help, “sugar” is a euphemism for “good” things and “salt” is a euphemism for “bad” things. They are not to be taken verbatim.) Also it is possible to tickle someone to death. Anything taken to the extreme is painful and torturous. Even “love”.What is the conclusion?
Why is this a reasonable analogy?It is blindingly obvious that putting too much sugar into a dish makes it exactly as horrible as putting too much salt into it. (For those who need a little help, “sugar” is a euphemism for “good” things and “salt” is a euphemism for “bad” things. They are not to be taken verbatim.) Also it is possible to tickle someone to death. Anything taken to the extreme is painful and torturous. Even “love”.
We will have an eternal life in Heaven!Are humans persons eternal? No. We are limited, dependent beings. Our nature is not eternal. Our souls were created and are forever dependent on God’s sustaining love.
We are in presence of God right now! What difference could Heaven make?If anyone calls Heaven an infinite joy, it is only meant to be an expression getting at deeper theological truths: In Heaven, we are in the presence of the Infinite, God Himself.
Not all. Only those who humble themselves and admit and repent of their failings.We will have an eternal life in Heaven!
See posts #2 and #3.We are in presence of God right now! What difference could Heaven make?
Really! what do you know about heaven - I guess you have had the vision - you seem to be an expert on what heaven will be like - lets make it clear - you know nothing about what its like in heaven - you statements are all made in complete ignorance.We will be limited anyway since we cannot be God hence we cannot see the full picture opposite to what you claim.
I am glad you get this. We will be limited in Heaven anyway forced to have an eternal life. What is the conclusion?
It is quite unwise to don’t admit our failings since we know the consequence otherwise.Not all. Only those who humble themselves and admit and repent of their failings.
They don’t provide a reasonable answer to my argument. I need an argument. Don’t you feel bored of your life sometimes. What a great joy could do when you know that it is simple experience? Like other experience! We in fact get diluted with our experiences staying in state of ignorance while they are functional paying no attention that they are only experiences.See posts #2 and #3.
Unfortunately, this is exactly what those on the path to hell are doing.It is quite unwise to don’t admit our failings since we know the consequence otherwise.
No I don’t. Please defend your own argument first.They don’t provide a reasonable answer to my argument. I need an argument.
What does this prove? That I am not in heaven?Don’t you feel bored of your life sometimes.
Please explain how this pertinent to the OP.What a great joy could do when you know that it is simple experience? Like other experience! We in fact get diluted with our experiences staying in state of ignorance while they are functional paying no attention that they are only experiences.
Yes, really.Really!
I don’t need to have a vision. I just need facts to understand how Heaven might look like based on what I have experienced. Everything eventually becomes boring. Simple.what do you know about heaven - I guess you have had the vision
You need to provide an argument to show that my understanding is complete ignorance.
- you seem to be an expert on what heaven will be like - lets make it clear - you know nothing about what its like in heaven - you statements are all made in complete ignorance.
But once you die, in eternity you have a transformed body and are thus “converted” into a state of an eternal being.It is not nonsense if you pay attention to your experience and reflect a little. We are limited creature and what we get is what we experience which is limited hence an infinite life with limited experience is a permanent torture. Do you want me to say more?
This is unintelligent so no-one choose it!Unfortunately, this is exactly what those on the path to hell are doing.
How I could defend my argument when you don’t provide an counter-argument.No I don’t. Please defend your own argument first.
It proves that eternal living is eternal suffering if you have limited access to experience. The sole use of new experience is just to keep you busy for a while. Isn’t it?What does this prove? That I am not in heaven?
It is quite in line of OP if you pay attention to my current argument and OP.Please explain how this pertinent to the OP.
That I think we can agree upon. The problem however arise from the fact that you have limited experience since you are not God.But once you die, in eternity you have a transformed body and are thus “converted” into a state of an eternal being.
How eternal joy is possible when you have limited experiences yet enforced to have eternal life?Besides, you cannot experience infinity in this life and have it end, only to endure another infinity.
Eternal joy with God is the reward for such limited experiences.That I think we can agree upon. The problem however arise from the fact that you have limited experience since you are not God.
How eternal joy is possible when you have limited experiences yet enforced to have eternal life?