Eternal Subordination economically

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Are you then saying that God the Son is subordinate to God the Father’s Will in the Son’s Divine Nature?
 
MCA said:
You are not even reading, it is an orthodox priest speaking. I never posted any catholic blog or document. Anyways for real if you dont have the the will to read and engage seriously over a serious thing just don’t make comments.
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Your link is a blog. I asked for specific teachings from the Church itself in official forms. Because quite frankly, I am attempting to fathom where you are coming from and what you mean. And your explanations are not making it any clearer form.
If people are not understanding, it is really up to the person putting the view forth to attempt to make things clearer. And in their own words.
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Anyways for real if you dont have the the will to read and engage seriously over a serious thing just don’t make comments.
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This is very uncharitable and downright rude.
 
MCA said:
I would thank not to call it silly and yes there is one divine will. But we gotta understand that even in the creation of the World the son is used as in instrumental cause to create the world. The thing is not about the will ( before encarnation and after ressurrection). In the very time of the encarnation Jesus has two wills and he is part of the trinity. How many wills were there in the times of Jesus walking down the streets of Palestine? It sounds incorrect right? Well it is the same that you did with my arguments.

Plus the submission is totally voluntary nobody argues against but stills being a subordination.
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St. Thomas Aquinas phrased it this way in the Summa Theologiae 1, Q45:
Reply to Objection 2. As the divine nature, although common to the three Persons, still belongs to them in a kind of order, inasmuch as the Son receives the divine nature from the Father, and the Holy Ghost from both: so also likewise the power of creation, whilst common to the three Persons, belongs to them in a kind of order. For the Son receives it from the Father, and the Holy Ghost from both. Hence to be the Creator is attributed to the Father as to Him Who does not receive the power of creation from another. And of the Son it is said (John 1:3), “Through Him all things were made,” inasmuch as He has the same power, but from another; for this preposition “through” usually denotes a mediate cause, or “a principle from a principle.” But to the Holy Ghost, Who has the same power from both, is attributed that by His sway He governs, and quickens what is created by the Father through the Son. Again, the reason for this particular appropriation may be taken from the common notion of the appropriation of the essential attributes. For, as above stated (I:39:8 ad 3), to the Father is appropriated power which is chiefly shown in creation, and therefore it is attributed to Him to be the Creator. To the Son is appropriated wisdom, through which the intellectual agent acts; and therefore it is said: “Through Whom all things were made.” And to the Holy Ghost is appropriated goodness, to which belong both government, which brings things to their proper end, and the giving of life—for life consists in a certain interior movement; and the first mover is the end, and goodness.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1045.htm#article6
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MCA said:
I think brother you got what I was saying. But let me go to your final part of the post. I dont see the Father subordinating to anybody. The sons I begoten and sent, but The Father is not begoten nor sent. Being sent needs two ppl, the sent and the “sender”.

Btw let me affirm the subordination is out of love. 100%.
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It took me a while to understand why the Father subordinates himself to the son.
Suppose your son cam to you and said that he wanted to go visit these sad, lowly people to help them out because he loved them so much. You knew he would suffer and die there, and you did not want to let your son do that. It was against your will. BUT you let him do it out of your love for your son because you put his will ahead of yours.
 
Frankenfurter said:
It took me a while to understand why the Father subordinates himself to the son.
Suppose your son cam to you and said that he wanted to go visit these sad, lowly people to help them out because he loved them so much. You knew he would suffer and die there, and you did not want to let your son do that. It was against your will. BUT you let him do it out of your love for your son because you put his will ahead of yours.
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The Holy Trinity has one will.
 
So he agrees with me even goes further than me and you are not understanding what I am saying if you are posting against my argument. Idk if you are backing me up or going against. He is actually saying something I dont even dare to say that the son get his divinity from the father. I affirm the autheos of the son. The three are equal in the essence and attributes. Ontology is one thing economical functionality is another
 
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Is not rude is reality look at his comments and see the unwillingness to reply before reading
 
The father never subordinates to the son. Actually the opposite. 1 Cortinthians 15: specially verse 28
 
It isn’t, if you are hurt cause you did not undertand it I only can say read again carefully. Something to be heresy needs to be condemned or go against the corpus of doctrine. As @Bithynian said is not a catholic issue for the moment.

Btw He understood me as well as others. If you had problems with the word ontology and economy maybe you are not in the level yet to get around these kinds of discussion.

God bless you
 
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1 Corthians 15: speaks about the final resurrection and the restoration of things. Read the verse 28
 
Ty for disagreeing and given a good answer without missrepresenting what I am saying. Ty so much
 
MCA said:
It isn’t, if you are hurt cause you did not undertand it I only can say read again carefully.
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Whether you say something rude or uncharitable, which you did, does not equate to my being hurt.
It does and should give cause for reflection on the rules of charity on CAF.

Stating to someone ’ if they do not have the will to read and engage seriously over a serious thing, just don’t make comments.’
Is the type of statement that can get a person suspended and banned.

That statement has nothing to do with heresy or doctrine, but it definitely is a Catholic Answers Forum issue.

Again, you are being rude and uncharitable when you state
MCA said:
If you had problems with the word ontology and economy maybe you are not in the level yet to get around these kinds of discussion.
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I would strongly advise you to read CAF rules and resist attacking the person. These kinds of attacks usually end badly.

God may bless me if it is His will to do so.
 
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I did not attack you at all. I just said that you are answering oranges when Im speaking about apples. I dont think I have been rude or uncharitable at all. But if I did and I cannot realize then I apologize.
 
MCA said:
I did not attack you at all. I just said that you are answering oranges when Im speaking about apples. I dont think I have been rude or uncharitable at all. But if I did and I cannot realize then I apologize.
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We all learn how to moderate our speech on this forum, It is my opinion this improves us. The rough diamond starts to shine.

I did ask you for something other then a link to a blog, some form of official Vatican documents. In an effort to further the discussion.
 
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To truly consider an answer, the first thing is to define heresy . This we can only do through Official Church teaching. So we must pull up documents written by the Church that tell us what heresy is.
 
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