Because God and his Foreknowlegde do not decide. It seems repetitive, what i say, but you can do otherwise, since foreknowledge in eternity sees whatever you will do, in advance, all at one present moment, but you will do what you will do. I mean you cannot do otherwise once you did what you did.
How about prophecy? We can ask a prophet about foreknowledge, can’t we?
I don’t think prophets get asked. They ask God. God reveals what he will, but his revelations concern events God knows will occur, not just because God has willed them (as in the case of sending a Messiah), but also events we have willed (as in the crucifixion of Jesus).
The future is NOT fixed by God. Simply knowing the future does not fix the future. I can know what happened/happens/will happen 5 minutes into a movie, it doesn’t mean I fixed the movie simply because I know it. I know what everyone says/said/will say in every scene in a movie, doesn’t mean I made them say it. I just saw the movie already and that’s how I know. Same thing with God. Yes I could do otherwise, but I **won’t **because I already didn’t. Not because I couldn’t. **God is always already in the future. **
It’s NOT fixed, it’s just known. You can know something without fixing something. Knowing it doesn’t make it fixed, it just makes it seen. God is already in the future right now.
Yes I could do the opposite. I could always do the opposite. But I won’t do the opposite, not because I can’t but because I already didn’t. It’s not a matter of can I, it’s a matter of **will **I.
Because no matter which she chooses, the choice is already in the future and can be seen by God who is in the future. Yes it can be subject to change, the change is still what is seen in the future. No matter how many times you change your mind on which color to paint your room, your ultimate decision is already in the future. You can change your mind or your choice as much as you want but whichever you choose already exists in the future.
I didn’t say that God fixed future. Those who can fix future are agents with free will but regardless we have one future which depends on our decisions and it is fixed and that is how that God can know it.
Future is fixed.
You didn’t get the point. You have to first recognize that future is fixed and only God could know about it unless there is God intervention through the prophecy. Once the knowledge of future action is in the place we could do otherwise which means that future which is Gods foreknowledge is subject to the change hence God cannot be changeless.
How many future could we have?
My opinion is we have one, and so many that we possibly can, as long as we didn’t decide what to do at one moment, which will fix the future.
Who fix the future? God and us.
That is correct until a prophet intervene and tell us what we are going to do in future. Future is not fixed then since it is biased by foreknowledge. And that is when we see the contradiction since future cannot be subject to change since otherwise God’s foreknowledge is subject to change hence changeless God. In another hand the person who has foreknowledge can do otherwise.
For the WHY and WHEN : yes and that’s precisely the difference between Eternity and HIstory, and one think may create contrast, friction, paradox, but it doesn’t mean it’s a contradiction.
This is one place your logic falls apart. You cannot make a claim based upon the empirical observation of the consistency or regularity of the laws of nature that the physical universe is deterministic. That is a metaphysical claim that requires insight into the mechanisms behind the laws of nature to know with certainty that the laws of nature are grounded in some deterministic reality. That insight is presumed by you, not demonstrated.
I suppose one way to visualise it would be to draw a large circle, and then a much small circle within it. The much smaller circle is our history, whereas the much larger (preferably infinitely larger) circle is God’s history or eternity. He can look down on both, just as we for example can look down at a map representing a map. He can not only survey our history, but remember His own, before, during and after the creation of our universe and the spiritual world.Hello,
I would like to find some explanation about this: Since God knows everything that can be known in Eternity, he knows what we will do with our will before we do it in time or History.
Is there an easy wayto explain how history is a part of Eternity, perhaps with the two views, that is God’s view of Eternity and Man’s view of History? I can more or less concieve some image of it, but i would like to understand with arguments.
I would think of a sort of circular diagram, but it is not really exact since Eternity is not a cycle, and History has an end. So how do you understand and explain it ? thank you very much.
We are very sure about two things: 1) We experience hence there exist a objectivity and a subjectivity, in simple word what is experienced and the experience, or physical state and mind state. In simple word we could be affected. 2) We also experience that there is a relation between our mind states and physical states. In simple word we could affect.
It has to be deterministic in order to be livable. How? We don’t really know.
That is correct. One cannot claim that the law of physics which is result of observation of regularity in physical world correctly represents the law of nature, namely what is underneath.
This I have problem with: First the nature of God could be malevolence, please read the previous comment. Second, I don’t see how determinism is related to malevolence.
Determinism as a substrate for living is very fair in my high opinion. The state of affair a living being cannot possibly be determined.
How would the world be, without determinism, for you?