Ethical Eating (of animals)

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You have compassion for non-human species. This is a sign of divine grace.
 
It is true that the manufactoring of our food supply is gruesome and inhumane, there is no getting around that it is a fact, it is so bad that in parts of the USA it is now illegal to secretly videotape some farms/ slaughter houses.

But the problem is demand for meat. society is too big, to humanely raise and humanely slaughter livestock. maybe back in the 1400s and earlier when the world was smaller, it was easier to humanely treat the animals that were consumed.

Today it just isnt possible to do things humanely and make a sustainable profit and living, society would just collapse if things slowed down. It collapses when water mains break during natural disasters, or when power goes out for months on end, life becomes a living hell.

Even if say people started going to local farmers who really did humanely raise an slaughter their live stock, raise chickens, etc, eventually what would happen is more people go to said farm, and then farmer cant keep up with the demand, and ipsofact we are back to where started.

Most farmers are aware that they have an eye on them to some degree be it from the government or special interest groups that want to make sure things are as humane as possible, now should some toothless psychopath be allowed to slam animals into a wall to kill them and stomp on chickens etc, of course not. An they are most of the time dealt with by the employer very quickly, and if not, word of mouth spreads eventually and they get caught an suffer the consequences.

The most I can do is to not waste the food i buy, because I am aware that this just isn’t something to be taken lightly, we have people starving all over the world for various reasons, our food is processed in mass and as fast and efficent as possible with out the animal really being cared for in any humane sense. I figure the very least i can do is to make the best of the food i do get, create a wonderful meal, be thankful for what i have and not waste it. An when i can to buy from trust worthy humane farmers.
 
This answer is for me and me alone. Oh, I’m “aware” of all the things y’all trying to make omnivores like me aware of - - but guess what - - I love the flavor of meat and seafood. I need animal products for MY health. I was severely anemic because of uterine polyp that caused ridiculously strong menses. I need the iron that comes from meat. It’s my responsibility, above all to keep myself healthy by eating a balanced diet.

You go ahead and eat your jackfruit pulled “pork”, which I will gladly and respectfully try(and might even like) but please, allow me to eat my medium rare burger with bacon and cheese in peace 😎
 
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Shakuhachi said:
I ate some fish the other day at a luncheon. So I am about 95% vegan with allowances for special occasions. It is sometimes very hard and counter cultural. At a Mexican restaurant I get vegetable fajita but don’t ask what all is in the tortilla and chips.
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It is easier to be vegetarian in some parts of the country than others. I’m 45 minutes north of the border and Mexicans are highly carnivorous (I don’t mean that in a negative sense). They love their chicken & beef.

You can almost always get something with rice and/or beans and cheese, but I"m a snoot and I still like to eat complex & flavorful meals.
 
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HolySpirit1 said:
But the problem is demand for meat. society is too big, to humanely raise and humanely slaughter livestock. maybe back in the 1400s and earlier when the world was smaller, it was easier to humanely treat the animals that were consumed.

Today it just isnt possible to do things humanely and make a sustainable profit and living, society would just collapse if things slowed down. It collapses when water mains break during natural disasters, or when power goes out for months on end, life becomes a living hell.
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Thank you! Yes, I think that people forget how much we’ve grown in the past several hundred years. With the advent of modern medicine, people are living longer and well, living at all…think of all the children who used to die frequently before age 5; all the women who could die in childbirth; all the diseases that would wipe out half the population (the plague etc). Now, in a perfect world, everyone could eat vegetarian/vegan…but as we all know, such a world doesn’t exist. I would honestly love to be vegan if I could physically do it…it’s cheaper and yes, cruelty free.
 
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I figure the very least i can do is to make the best of the food i do get, create a wonderful meal, be thankful for what i have and not waste it. An when i can to buy from trust worthy humane farmers.
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And that is reasonable.
 
The food industry feeds us toxins so the medical industry can treat the symptoms all thanks to our government that engineers the whole thing.
 
Yeah, I don’t really subscribe to the conspiracy theories about the evils of GMO foods. We can’t achieve perfect health they way a lot of these food gurus and alternative health gurus like to claim. I’d rather live to be in my 70s/80s taking a few meds than die in my 40s due to having no antibiotics for some minor infection.

I’m doing pretty well eating what I need to eat…other people can do well eating other things. We are all different.
 
So what do you consider inhumane? Is shooting an animal worse than cutting its throat? Your post makes no sense. So eating closer to the source? How do you imagine these animals are killed? Your choice to become a vegan is emotional, not rational.
 
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I accompanied a few people who were fishing on a boat, and I saw how the fish flipped and flapped around on the floor of the boat after being caught. Also, I feel sorry for the live lobsters as they are put live into a boiling pan of water to be cooked.
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Lobsters lack certain pain receptors.

https://www.quora.com/Do-crabs-and-lobsters-feel-pain-when-they-are-being-boiled-alive

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The liberal agenda is divorced from science and bankrupt with respect to morality, it’s sad but true. Human fetuses feel not only pain but complex emotions. Lobsters have only a collection of responses that are triggered by various stimuli. They honestly aren’t thinking “cogito ergo sum” as they go into the pot, they aren’t thinking anything.
 
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This sounds like what Descartes, brilliant philosopher and mathematician, used to say about ALL animals. Science eventually proved him wrong. It is not necessarily an either-or proposition: that is, one can be pro-life AND pro-animal rights. Such people do exist, and they are capable of thinking and feeling pain as well as pleasure.
 
The government has nothing to do with it other then letting the industries have their way to maximize profit.
 
Being vegan requires no animal to be killed are harmed in any way.
 
You’ve never heard of the FDA or the USDA (just two examples)? Government has everything to do with it.
 
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