Ethics of Disney

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So let’s al ban Disney.because of this lol.
Disney has brought joy to me and all of my kids.

Skip over the movies you find offensive

My daughter as part of her school visits the elderly Masonic home and brightens thier day with teddy bears.

Jesus helped a samaritan. Let Him be your guide.
 
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As per usual, parents should preview stuff they let their kids watch
Here’s the thing they do now—start off the series with innocent and inoffensive content, then when they have their fan base established, bypass the parents and introduce the controversial stuff.
 
The same could be said for the Catholic Church; Look at how those Catholics turned out after being taught the Faith…

Not exactly a stellar logical conclusion.
What are you blithering on about?
 
So let’s al ban Disney.because of this lol.
Disney has brought joy to me and all of my kids.

Skip over the movies you find offensive

My daughter as part of her school visits the elderly Masonic home and brightens thier day with teddy bears.

Jesus helped a samaritan. Let Him be your guide.
Unfortunately, people are more interested in expressing public outrage than just going about their business, making good choices and doing like Jesus. This was also a problem in Jesus’ own time, so humans haven’t changed much.
 
Disney is a behemoth and I agree with you that the vast majority of their content, especially the constant repackagings and re-imaginings of animated movies into live-action films, does not interest me. I actually get more enjoyment out of watching their very old (before I was born) offerings such as “Annette” and “Spin and Marty”. I don’t think it’s the end of the world if someone else wants to watch Disney Channel though.
 
Disney and the Catholic church aren’t comparable.

Firstly, the very environment at Disney (and not Disney alon, but for the purpose of this argument let’s stick with Disney) of making kids stars and giving them truckloads of money, pretty much sets them up to become, let’s say, not particularly nice, humble, well behaved people in future. I do of course put much of that blame on the parents too, for allowing their own vanity and greed to push their children into this type of environment. So I would say Disney are partially responsible for creating monsters.

Secondly, the Catholic church doesn’t try to profit off the ill behaviours of ‘fallen’ Catholics. For the most part, it tends to distance itself from them, if it finds out they have been up to no good. Disney on the other hand is still airing shows and selling merchandise from people whose behaviours since leaving them has been appalling.
 
Meh, I don’t get what the point of the live action remakes is. They seem to solely exist to make meta-textual comments about the Disney brand and have nothing else to do. That said the newer stuff from Disney Animation is pretty much as good as the Renaissance era. As for the Classic Era, some of those are quite yikesy, Dumbo is the one that jumps to mind for being something you wouldn’t make that way today. Song of the South is the obvious early live action that would match it.
 
What are you blithering on about?
You made the comment ''Then there are also those non animated Disney programs. Look at how some of those kids have turned out.

And I made the comment about how kids who have been taught the faith turned out.

In other words, you appeared to imply that the kids turned out poorly (as I understand your comment) after non-animated Disney movies; the implication being it may have had some reference as to how they turned out; The too subtle reference I made is that one can blame something without thereby showing that it was a motivating factor. Sorry if I was too subtle.
 
It’s fine my reply was a bit of an overration. Apologies.

As I stated above, I would not hold Disney wholly responsible for what these kids went on to do, but I believe the environment it provides them, i.e. the fame and money, doesn’t help.

Show businesses in most cases doesn’t do a lot of good for kids when it comes to morales, and Disney, if it wants to be the wholesome family friendly brand it’s supposed to be, should in my opinion stop hiring child actors for non-animated movies and series and concentrate on cartoons, that more recently, as I also stated, have become more of a mouthpiece of liberal ideas.
 
As I stated above, I would not hold Disney wholly responsible for what these kids went on to do, but I believe the environment it provides them, i.e. the fame and money, doesn’t help.
The saying that money is the root of all evils is a misquote (and you did not quote it); rather, the love of money is the root of all evils. And we can disagree that it is the root of all; I say the ultimate sin is pride.

In any event, I agree that there are a number of child actors who went off the deep end; there are also child actors who did not (Annette Funicello being one of them); but the same could be said of people who are “dirt poor”; some of them go off the deep end and some don’t. Perhaps it is just that the ones with a lot of $$$ and fame are the ones we see the most of in the news when they fall off the edge of whatever - earth, reality, morality. And that gets to one of my pet peeves - the “news”.

70 years ago the movie industry had a moral stance that pretty much paralleled Christian morals. That has gone by the wayside so long ago, many never remember what it once was. The “liberty” we now have in general society was not the “liberty” the Founding Fathers had in mind; There was a consensus that Christianity under-girded society. Christianity is now the sneering point of all too many, and the rest have little or no impact.
 
My favorite princess is Cinderella. If you read the true story eek.
Then I like sleeping beauty.
My youngest daughter and I have arguments such as Mulan was not a princess and neither was was pocahontas
She insists they are. (Imho they are not). as for Disney shows we dont watch the teen ones.

I love all of the pirate movies. Johnny Depp makes a good pirate. 🙃
 
My absolute favorite is "Fun And Fancy Free "
Its Bongo the Bear and then a short break with Edgar Bergan and his ventriloquism at a party.
Then its Mickey and the Beanstalk.
Very cute with sheep jumping and song “o what a happy day.”
 
Yes since Disney has changed…I watch the movies before my youngest does. I forget the name they use for more mature themes.
I personally liked Malificent and we had a discussion about that. About what circumstances turn someone evil
 
keep in mind that Joel Chandler Harris wrote in postbellum Georgia black dialect, and the movie’s rendition of this is actually quite mild
well that is an understatement.

I checked it out from the university library to read to the kids.

Never mind reading it to them, I couldn’t wade through it myself. It was just too much work to plod through a paragraphs or two.

Nonetheless, Br’er Rabbit remains one of my heroes . . .
In any event, I agree that there are a number of child actors who went off the deep end; there are also child actors who did not (Annette Funicello being one of them);
the history of Disney child actresses (and to a lesser extent, actors) after Annette isn’t very good though . . . Annette is the last one can name off the cuff that didn’t “go bimbo”, but I suspect there are a couple that arrest’ popping to mind . . .

Oh, they had the stance, but it applied to the movies themselves, not the behavior of the actors and studio folks when they thought they were out of the public eye . . .
My favorite princess is Cinderella. If you read the true story eek.
I checked out Grimm from the same university library.

Having learned from Snow White (in which I was fortunately reading three lines ahead and substituted for having red-hot iron shoes waiting on the forge, and forcing the witch/queen/sorcerous to wear and dance till she died . . .), I was alert the reading then Cinderella, and was ready for the step-sisters chopping off pieces of their feet to try to fit the slipper [mom says that you won’t need to walk when you’re queen, as you’ll be carried everywhere], as well as the birds sent by her deceased mother [no, no faeries, cinderella prayed at her mother’s grave, and she sent what Cinderella needed by the birds] pecking out her step-mother’s and step-sister’s eyes when they tried to attend the wedding , . ,. . 😱 🤯)

[on the bright side, I checked out a book on electricity from the same library for my five year old. It quickly became her favorite book, and was checked out repeatedly. And, in fact, it’s a real kick to see your five year old explain atomic structure to unsuspecting people! :crazy_face: 😱 🤔]
 
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I agree that there is no issue watching Classic Disney cartoons, and I’ve been happily introducing my young son to some of them on Disney Plus. That said, the charges that some of them include / promote blatant racism is valid and not liberal propaganda (someone earlier in the thread seemed to dismiss the charges of racism… it’s there and it’s very in your face… think Peter Pan and the Indians)… but that doesn’t mean we don’t watch it. We can discuss it rationally and enjoy it for what it is - quality entertainment of a bygone era.
 
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keep in mind that Joel Chandler Harris wrote in postbellum Georgia black dialect, and the movie’s rendition of this is actually quite mild
well that is an understatement.

I checked it out from the university library to read to the kids.

Never mind reading it to them, I couldn’t wade through it myself . It was just too much work to plod through a paragraphs or two.

Nonetheless, Br’er Rabbit remains one of my heroes . . .
I read some JCH to my son for homeschool literature class, trying to be as respectful as I could to the dialect, while preserving the essence of it — and my son couldn’t stand it, begged me to stop, said I was being horribly racist! He is very protective of African Americans — many good positive experiences in school, this plus his media immersion — and is horrified by anything that even slightly hints at racial uniqueness. He absolutely refuses to watch SOTS for the same reason.

I have it here if he ever wants to watch it — original PAL VHS from Britain, converted to NTSC VHS, DVD, and saved on the hard drive (remastered copy). It seems that the big problem with SOTS is that it depicts a postbellum idealized scenario of contented sharecroppers, who are notionally “free”, but have nowhere else to go, live much as slaves did (and were presumably slaves on that same plantation before the WBTS), are treated as subordinates, and are supposedly happy with their circumstances. As I noted above, it is actually a very sympathetic portrayal of black Southerners of the time, while many of the white people are shown to be petty and mean-spirited.
 
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