EU flag burned as tens of thousands join Warsaw nationalist demo

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The only point that I have brought up is that Polish protesters are not motivated by Nazism but are motivated to act against it. They are not advocating totalitarianism, but protesting against what they perceive to be totalitarian overreach.

Your argument about abortion therefore ought not be directed toward me, but toward Edwest. He is the one that is contradicting hat particular contention.

I am only contradicting the posts that link these Poles to Nazis. The nature of their demonstrations demonstrate just the opposite in fact.
 
Why then the burning of the Auschwitz epitaph along with the EU flag?

Obviously there are many different groups in Polish society, like in any society, and groups with widely divergent points of view can share a common goal on any specific issue.
 
edwest2 said:
I don’t think so. The Americans, French and British would all be threatened. The B-29, which was just coming into service (of which we "loaned’ one example to the Soviets), would have been redirected to the European theater. V-2 rockets and V-1 cruise missiles would have been brought into service, since the Americans had captured examples and already built copies of the V-1 before the end of the war. German supersonic aircraft, like the DFS-346, which was almost completed by the end of the war, would have been brought into service, along with the supersonic version of the Me-262, the first prototype having been destroyed by Allied bombing during the war, and the Horten H IX stealth fighter, which had begun series construction right before the end of the war, would have gone into full-scale production. And the German air and ground forces would have been reactivated for the most part. The German “Maus” super-heavy tank, of which two examples had been completed, would have gone into production. The Me-262 would have been upgraded with the fully interior mounted “Berlin” 10 centimeter radar, of which examples had gone into production before the end of the war.

The Russians had no supersonic or high-speed aircraft until they began using captured Me-262s and Arado-234s, and were in the midst of designing their own. That would have been interrupted. The Soviets had no atomic bombs at the time. Strangely, the British would sell examples of their Nene jet engine to the Russians, which was copied, mass-produced and fitted nicely into the MiG 15, which was a copy of a German design, right before the Korean War in 1950.

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Yes, and the Soviet military at the end of WW2 was the military of Stalingrad and the Soviet leadership at the end of WW2 was Stalin. A war between the West and the USSR at the end of WW2 would have resulted in either a Soviet victory or a WW2 that didn’t end until the 50s after massive losses on both sides and a radioactive Europe. The “we could have stopped the Cold War before it started by marching onto Moscow” is a nice “what if” scenario for an alternate history book, but that’s about it.
 
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Yes, and the Soviet military at the end of WW2 was the military of Stalingrad and the Soviet leadership at the end of WW2 was Stalin. A war between the West and the USSR at the end of WW2 would have resulted in either a Soviet victory or a WW2 that didn’t end until the 50s after massive losses on both sides and a radioactive Europe. The “we could have stopped the Cold War before it started by marching onto Moscow” is a nice “what if” scenario for an alternate history book, but that’s about it.
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Besides, the lull allowed the Soviets to install spies within the Manhattan Project and obtain the atomic bomb much sooner than expected.
 
JimG said:
Besides, the lull allowed the Soviets to install spies within the Manhattan Project and obtain the atomic bomb much sooner than expected.
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While they did have spies in the Manhattan Project, they still lacked crucial components. Captured German and Austrian scientists had the know-how.

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