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I was interested in the phenomenon of Stalin’s resurgent popularity (and more specifically Putin’s role in it), to the chagrin of the West, surprised perhaps that most Russians do not accept its Cold War propaganda that Stalin was a brutal tyrant with no redeeming aspects. Yes, Stalin’s resurgent popularity is partly due to propaganda since it serves the political interests of the Putin regime, and it was not primarily driven by an honest, dispassionate assessment of Stalin’s role in the development of the CCCP and contributions in the defeat of Nazi fascism.
The propaganda phenomenon has not a thing to with anything but Russia, where it stems from. 🤷

themoscowtimes.com/opinion/opinion/article/stalin-rises-from-the-ashes-in-putins-russia/519090.html

The death tolls have nothing to do with popularity. Nor are they related to anything today as the article above indicates from 1989. Has not a thing to do with Putin. It may be re-hashed today in relation to Putin BY Russia to water down reality IN propaganda, which doesn’t change the fact of Stalins brutality. To me thats nonsensical.
Certainly, Stalin has some significant accomplishments worthy of admiration, but in the West people just bandy around figures of tens of millions of deaths concocted .
You mean like the above article? Of course you do and according to who Moscow? :rolleyes: Perhaps for you and Moscow. Perhaps thats true of all tyrants. However, lets be clear its your opinion tens of millions is “concocted” and frankly isn’t consistent with any scholarly work of history and is based on and supported by one fringe voice-Grover Burr. Which is where we disagree and why I posted the articles.

I think its fascinating you think Stalin has worthy accomplishments and at the same time would choose to diminish the fact hes a communist murderer responsible for 10s of millions of deaths as history recorded. You are in total agreement with the Moscow times!! 👍
I was not interested in Stalin or Grover Furr bashing (who should also be commended for his work).
Whos talking about bashing but you? I disagree with your “opinion” of both Stalins murderous rampage and frankly with the fact Grover Burr is anything more than english teacher “who cannot countenance any scholar who engages in rigorous research” 👍
So shameful is this man that he actually tried to lead a protest against a speech by one of the most brilliant contemporary scholars, Timothy Snyder of Yale University. Snyder is the author of the magisterial and highly acclaimed book Bloodlands, which the Economist rightfully chose as its “Book of the Year.” Professor Furr, it seems, cannot countenance any scholar who engages in rigorous research.
We simply disagree. Not really a big deal. 🤷
 
Ref:Review by Ursula Gurney, A Failed Empire- The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev. by Vladislav M. Zubak. (Origins. osu.edu?review/failed-empire-)…

For Stalin, security and regime building were a two sides of the same coin. He didn’t want to antagonize the U.S, but that was impossible. Khrushchev’s wanted peaceful co-existence which was not reflected by Moscow’s action abroad, which signaled the commitment to the revoluntionary paradigm- Russia threatened nuclear war with the U.S. Is this still possible with Putin in power. Is there still killing going on in Ukraine? With that type of mentality, I would say “yes” I understand that a great percentage of Ukraine are Christians, and under Stalin many were killed, also many of other faiths, Muslims, and Jews. At age 70, Stalin’s health was failing along with what was left of his sanity. He became less involved with running the soviet Union. In l953, he ordered the arrest of many Moscow’s doctors, mostly Jews, charging them with medical assassination of several high ranking Soviet Officials. This brought back memories of the purge of the 1930’s Many speculated that Stalin was gearing up for another purge aimed at persons such as Molotov and secret police chief Lavrenti Feria. What might have been another “blood letting” was avoided by Stalin’s sudden and mysterious death on March 5, 1953. This doesn’t sound like much of any type of rehabilitation to me. I didn’t read of any involvement of Putin’s administration, maybe I missed something.

After his death and the end of the reign of terror, Stalin’s name and regime was inevitably criticized by Soviet Authorities and people. He is remembered as a terrorist against his own people( like some others we know). His supporters believed he saved his country from European domination, and that lives were necessary casualties for the good of the nation. Russia rose from behind the times under his reign, achievements were impressive, but how he did it were deplorable. Death and oppression were the hallmarks of his regime. Stalin’s successors were left with the task of how to manage the Soviet Union, the abject fears and distrust of the West, and their tenuous relationships with China, without using Stalin’s tactics of terror.

So the country’s improvement or success at the price of many innocent lives was the inhumane cost, man’s inhumanity to man. How can anyone approve of such actions? These men are losers no matter how brilliant they are, or successful in achieving their inhumane goals. I would greatly question Putin’s motives for helping Syria’s president, is it in his own country’s well-being, fear of the radical Muslims, or religion of any sort, is it oil etc. He is not transparent, although what he is doing in some ways is obvious, and like Stalin. I am not saying we are completely innocent either, we suffer from much corruption as well. As I stated before corruption is endemic, and humanity needs real help that only God can give, but often humanity must be humbled first before it receives it.
 
I was interested in the phenomenon of Stalin’s resurgent popularity (and more specifically Putin’s role in it), to the chagrin of the West, surprised perhaps that most Russians do not accept its Cold War propaganda that Stalin was a brutal tyrant with no redeeming aspects.
One needs to realize that there were “winners” under Stalin’s rule as well as “losers”. And those who were “winners” are not likely to condemn their benefactor, particularly because to do so would be to recognize that their good fortune came at the cost of the suffering and lives of others.

Even Nuremberg did not cause all Germans to immediately return the benefits they received under Hitler to those from whom it had been taken. But Nuremberg was at least a start; a recognition of the evil that had governed so many. Russia never had its “Nuremberg trials”. Rather, it is now ruled by a man who, as a KGB colonel, could not have been anything but a criminal; a man who has announced of himself “…once a Chekist, always a Chekist”. At least Germans today do not proudly announce “…once an eisatzgruppenfuhrer, always an einsatzgruppenfuhrer…” They’re ashamed, and rightly so.
 
The report summarizes the open source investigations into the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight on July17,2014 in Ukraine
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