Eucharist and contraception

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Abortion is pregnancy termination. You’re not pregnant until the egg implants.
Arwing said:
It is important to draw a distinction which I suppose is where the Church’s use of “abortion” comes into play, since it is still killing.
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We know where the Church’s definition lies. It’s a terrible way of defining it, mostly because we know it’s inaccurate. And the woman’s body naturally “kills” most fertilized eggs (pretty horrible, right? That’s part of the problem with the definition as well).

When we learned the earth revolved around the sun, did we not shift on that stance?
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blocking conception is different from blocking implantation.
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Motrin can block implantation. And most fertilized eggs don’t even implant.

I’ve been civil, I’ve been patient, but I’m tired. No offense to anyone here. I’m muting the thread.
 
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NFP is not a contraceptive. There is nothing preventing pregnancy . It’s using your body’s natural signals of fertility and knowing when to abstain from having sex if you have an acceptable reason to do so, by checking your cervical mucus, taking your temperature and charting your cycle. There are no barriers or hormones and no pulling out. It’s natural sex.
 
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NFP is contraceptive.

You are choosing not to have sex when the ability to conceive is higher. That is inherently contraceptive.
 
No it’s not a contraceptive there is nothing preventing implantation and nothing blocking the sperm from the vagina.
 
klmt123 said:
No it’s not a contraceptive there is nothing preventing implantation and nothing blocking the sperm from the vagina.
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Yes it is. You aren’t having sex when you are most fertile. That is contraceptive. Your mind and soul aren’t open to having children.

Like I said, I also include being overweight, using NSAIDs, and smoking as contraceptive if you are doing it with the intent not to have children.

CONTRACEPTION Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

CONTRACEPTION definition: the deliberate prevention of conception or impregnation by any of various drugs, techniques, or devices; birth control. See examples of contraception used in a sentence.
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contraception, noun
the deliberate prevention of conception or impregnation by any of various drugs, techniques, or devices; birth control.
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klmt123 said:
So I am abstaining until marriage are you going to tell me that’s contracepting too?
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Pray tell, what does not fornicating have to do with contraception? We are talking about married couples here. Don’t change the goalposts to suit your argument.
 
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Abstaining in general because of not wanting to get pregnant. It’s not being, not open to life because you choose not to have sex.
 
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klmt123 said:
Abstaining in general because of not wanting to get pregnant. It’s not being, not open to life because you choose not to have sex.
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That is contraception. If you are married, and you avoid having sex during your most fertile days you are not open to life.

You should be having sex when you and your spouse feel like, regardless of the state of your cycle. If you choose to abstain because life could be conceived you using a technique as contraception.

It’s quite the unpopular opinion but I have it. And it isn’t changing.
 
The issue is one time use after rape.
If implantation is known to be inhibited then that by Church moral definition is abortifacient use.
That means the sin of abortion.
Clearly it is not as grave as aborting an implanted zygote by stronger chemical means.
 
I’m not arguing with you. It’s not contraception. It’s natural to abstain when it’s not a good time to get pregnant. It’s call being responsible, knowing that sex leads to babies and abstaining when it’s not a good time to have another child.
 
klmt123 said:
I’m not arguing with you. It’s not contraception. It’s natural to abstain when it’s not a good time to get pregnant. It’s call being responsible, knowing that sex leads to babies and abstaining when it’s not a good time to have another child.
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Nope, it is contraception. It’s included in the definition of contraception as a technique.

If you aren’t open to life and you avoid having / abstaining from sex when you could conceive a life, you are using contraception.

I mean, go ahead. I am not stopping you.
 
Natural family planning is not contraceptive
It is a way to plan your family. You have sex when you can get pregnant during the fertile time when you want a baby and abstain during that same time when you don’t want to get pregnant. Well it’s the only acceptable way in the churchs eyes.
 
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And I guess being a priest is contraceptive too since guys can get women preggnant everyday for as long as they live and choose not to have sex.
 
Pup7 said:
I’ve not refuted nor attempted to refute any of this, not once. Though this statement “the issue is not primarily the medical reality but what one perceives to be the reality when one chooses to swallow the pill” doesn’t make much sense to me.
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This may well be why you appear confused in this area of valid Church medical ethical statements and are confusing others.
Adopting the definitions of other professions and treating the Church’s as irrelevant or somehow inferior doesn’t help.
 
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Are you saying guys are contracepting then during the infertile days if the couple is only having sex during the fertile time of the girls cycle to get pregnant? Because he is fertile everyday. Guys contracept everyday they don’t have sex by not having sex, is what your saying. A guy is able to get a different woman pregnant every day of the month. Women can only get pregnant by 1 man every 9 months.
 
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