Eucharist in the Hand

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I do not doubt the comparative reverence of communicants receiving either way, however. **What matters is what is in the mind and heart of each. **Yet I do think that receiving on the tongue demonstrates reverence better. It is disheartening, to say the least, to hear reports that so many Catholics no longer even believe in the True Presence. I think that this also demonstrates that there really is something true about “Lex orandi, lex credendi”…or so it seems, anyway. (But I do not mean to get into that old debate again about the words of consecration. Been there, done that!) 😉
[My emphases in purple above]

This I think is key: if outwardly you are in an irreverent pose, and you do it every Sunday, that must surely increase irreverence in you and those around you, who are doing the same, and who see you. We influence each other.

Why turn up at all, if outer ritual is not as important as inner disposition? **Or you could just sit at the back, do and say nothing, go up and get communion in the hand, then leave. Is that as good as the normal behaviour at a Latin Mass? **

Jesus is omnipresent. Therefore, we need to get nearer to Him. I say outward piety helps this. It’s a sign of our intent. He sees it and so does our subconscious, our heart.
 
I should have clarified. The argument for reception hand is a form of gnosticism in that it is a look backward to a past that does not exist. Moreover, it has been made clear that although the practice may have existed, as evidenced from artwork and other historical sources, it was indeed outside the Spirit of the Church. The reference is the book written by Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of Karaganda in Kazakhstan entitled *Dominus Est. *It is part of a more comprehensive dissertation endorsed by Archbishop Francis Cardinal Arinze attempting to dispel certain myths such as the one propogated here in this forum; among other tasks.

A source article. Also, a well developed interview by Fr. Pacwa on EWTN.

sanctepater.blogspot.com/search/label/reform%20of%20the%20reform

te-deum.blogspot.com/2008/12/author-of-dominus-est-bp-athanasius.html

the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2008/12/bishop-schneider-on-ewtn.html

marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2009/01/communion-on-tongue.html

Amazon link.

amazon.com/Dominus-Est-Reflections-Central-Communion/dp/0977884619/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1241276784&sr=8-3

Paperback: 63 pages
Publisher: Newman House Press; 1 edition (January 5, 2009)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0977884619
ISBN-13: 978-0977884612
Thanks so much for the info about Dominus Est. However, the price on Amazon is exorbitant. I located a Catholic source offering a much better price. For those who might be interested in ordering and reading what Bishop Shneider has to offer, check out this site:

opusangelorum.org/Books/Books.html
 
I totally disagree with your I totally agree with you. I see not conflict from my position of reason for you to tie these together. Discipline in the matter of such things can and do change, and have changed for the last 2000 years. Remember that communion on the hand was the norm the first few centuries? Trying to read a seventh century document while ignoring the seventh century context is why the Church does not allow everyone to interpret Church tradition for themselves.
Kneeling and receiving on the tongue, touchable only by consecrated hands was and is currently still a liturgical action that STILL shows the Catholic belief of the Eucharist. As someone who attends a Traditional Latin Mass only parish I know this. I have learned it.

The reason WHY communion given on the tongue was instittuted into the Liturgy was to express this belief. Lex Orendi - Lex Credendi.

Communion in the hand however, even though it was an allowable practice (NOT the norm and NOT what was done everywhere) was REINSTITUTED by the Protestant Reformers in the 16’th century to express in their liturgies the disbelief in the Catholic ministerial priesthood and in the Real Presence.

They well understood Lex Orendi - Lex Credendi…Communion in the hand showed their disbelief publicly. It manifested for all to see that they believed we are all priests (they told me this when they started Communion in the hand in my former parish- “it is being done to show our own priesthood”). It was done by Protestants to show their belief that the bread does not change- it is just a symbol!

So does Communion in the hand show the FACT of the difference between a Catholic Priest and a simple lay person as it shows in the Extraordinary Form? I mean in the EF no lay person may dare touch the Sacred Host with their hands- no lay person may distribute Holy Communion either- to show the Catholic Faith in the Ministerial Priesthood and the Real Presence.

Ken
 
The Muslim said, “Let me get this straight, you believe that God is in that little gold box?” Yes, replied the Catholic. “And you only genuflect? You do not enter and walk on your knees and cover your face before your God?”
As others have said, there’s a real need, in some parishes particularly, for an attitude of reverence, respect and awareness of God’s presence. This Muslim reminds me of some Catholic practices that could be brought back. Women cover their heads. If you feels silly wearing a veil, a simple hat or beret will do. Men, don’t wear jeans or t-shirts. Couples, stop with the hand-holding, squeezing, and little love pats…very distracting; you should be focused on God, not each other, at Mass. Kneel for the entire Eucharistic prayer, kneel after the Agnus Dei, and kneel immediately upon return to your pew after receiving the Blessed Sacrament…even if that’s not the “norm” in your parish. You start it and I bet you find more and more join you in this more suitable posture.
 
I mean in the EF no lay person may dare touch the Sacred Host with their hands-
No, they use their unconsecrated tongues. :rolleyes:

Lex orandi - lex credenti. This can be repeated in every post. It does nothing but beg the question with the assumption it tries to prove: that one form of reception is more meaningful than the other. I use the same principle and receive in the hand as that form of pray matches my belief. Tongue, hand, elbow or foot - it is all part of the human body and unconsecrated. Maybe it was the way I was raised, but I believe in greater reverence in bowing my head and holding my hand than lifting my eyes and sticking out my tongue.
 
No, they use their unconsecrated tongues. :rolleyes:

Lex orandi - lex credenti. This can be repeated in every post. It does nothing but beg the question with the assumption it tries to prove: that one form of reception is more meaningful than the other. I use the same principle and receive in the hand as that form of pray matches my belief. Tongue, hand, elbow or foot - it is all part of the human body and unconsecrated. Maybe it was the way I was raised, but I believe in greater reverence in bowing my head and holding my hand than lifting my eyes and sticking out my tongue.
Surely, though, you can at least concede that kneeling is more a position of reverence than standing.

I think for me there is an additional angle I view receiving on the tongue: Passive reception. Now in my case this may reflect the nature of my spirituality, but I have always felt we are more passive receivers of Our Lord’s graces than active ones. The receiving on the tongue is passive receptance of Our Lord’s graces, since in the Old Rite we did not say Amen when offered the Host (Our Lord is present whether we acknowledge it or not, and therefore our assent, while not negative, is unneccesary) and also since we are receiving it direct from consecrated hands to our mouth (metaphorically from the hands of Christ into our souls). By receiving in the hand, we receive actively, since we currently do 2things: We say Amen, whereby we acknowledge we receive grace since we believe in Christ’s presence, but this assertion rests on the idea that our assent to grace is necessary to receive it. Secondly, WE receive from the priest and then WE decide when we ingest the sacrament. This is de facto granting the communicant power over his reception of grace and the sacrament, as if our deciding to accept God’s grace is what makes it relevant. People may say this is not the case, but observe your fellow communicants and observe how much less relevant the priesthood may seem when you go from kneeling before the priest and being subject to his priveleges, or standing and taking the Sacrament at your leisure? It empowers us in ways which I am not sure are positive.
 
Surely, though, you can at least concede that kneeling is more a position of reverence than standing.

I think for me there is an additional angle I view receiving on the tongue: Passive reception.
Two excellent points, both of which I see. My point of view above is only my point of view. It surely isn’t anything universal.
 
… The reasons to receive on the tongue w/paten far outweigh the reasons always given for receiving in the hand. Imho.

God Bless
Actually, depending on where we live and if/when the swine flu “hits” a particular area, how people prefer to receive the host will be irrelevant. My bishop has decided that in the event swine flu becomes a problem in our diocese, then all Catholics (latin rite) will be asked to receive in the hand, and that we will not be drinking from the chalice.
 
Surely, though, you can at least concede that kneeling is more a position of reverence than standing.

I think for me there is an additional angle I view receiving on the tongue: Passive reception. Now in my case this may reflect the nature of my spirituality, but I have always felt we are more passive receivers of Our Lord’s graces than active ones. The receiving on the tongue is passive receptance of Our Lord’s graces, since in the Old Rite we did not say Amen when offered the Host (Our Lord is present whether we acknowledge it or not, and therefore our assent, while not negative, is unneccesary) and also since we are receiving it direct from consecrated hands to our mouth (metaphorically from the hands of Christ into our souls). By receiving in the hand, we receive actively, since we currently do 2things: We say Amen, whereby we acknowledge we receive grace since we believe in Christ’s presence, but this assertion rests on the idea that our assent to grace is necessary to receive it. Secondly, WE receive from the priest and then WE decide when we ingest the sacrament. This is de facto granting the communicant power over his reception of grace and the sacrament, as if our deciding to accept God’s grace is what makes it relevant. People may say this is not the case, but observe your fellow communicants and observe how much less relevant the priesthood may seem when you go from kneeling before the priest and being subject to his priveleges, or standing and taking the Sacrament at your leisure? It empowers us in ways which I am not sure are positive.
Good post.

But always, always remember that many cannot kneel. It’s not just those with knee problems. Many of the elderly and many obese people cannot kneel, and some people have problems that cannot be observed that make it impossible for them to kneel.

So to say that kneeling is a more reverent posture than standing (or sitting, in the case of some people), is just a little stinging. I know you don’t intend it to be a hurtful comment, but it does hurt. It makes us regretful of what can never be. I have really been struggling with loss of mobility lately, and I’m quite depressed over the very real possibility that my feet and knees will never be better and that I will never be able to do some of the things that I enjoy again, like touring historical sites, walking along a beach, or visiting a museum. I’m trying to stop thinking about all the things I can’t do, and concentrate on all the things I can do, but it’s hard. I’m only 51.

I’ve been assured by TLM advocates that there has always been provision made for those who cannot kneel, thank goodness. That’s a kindness.

But I think it is hurtful when everyone else is kneeling, and I can’t. I would prefer that the Church not establish a practice that makes people stick out. But that’s just my preference. As long as the non-kneelers are accepted as total equals, it would work. I’m sure it worked in the past.

And I know that most decent people would never hold it against someone who cannot kneel. IMO, we should MOOB at Holy Communion and pay attention to our own hearts and make sure we are kneeling or prostrate in our hearts.
 
Surely, though, you can at least concede that kneeling is more a position of reverence than standing.

I think for me there is an additional angle I view receiving on the tongue: Passive reception.
I had never heard or thought of the passive reception aspects before, and I am very thankful that you wrote about it. 🙂 So – Thank you.

Very worthwhile for consideration, and I can see why people who feel a need for control of everything now have a problem here.
 
[Sarcasm] Why bother queuing up for it at all; just hand it 'round. Like bread.

The little bob of the head and the cupping of the hands amuses me; like *“we kinda know this is important, but darn it, we can’t bring ourselves to kneel and receive on the tongue”. *‘Priesthood of the laity’, and all that. We’re all shepherds, now, and not sheep.

I wonder what would wake people up to the impiety of the average N.O. Mass. Dancing in the sanctuary? Shouting and roaring? Clapping and singing? Stamping of feet?

Another forty years at the current rate of change and that might not sound so daft.

Side note: one way the Devil and other hucksters get at you is through your pride. Hence all this New Age psychobabble: “You are special, you are important, what you feel is what’s right, go on, spoil yourself”.

PS: Jesus doesn’t need us. He is perfect unto Himself. We need Him. **Might be an idea to send clear signals to Heaven, and to your subconscious, your heart, as to what your intentions are. **

If only what you feel in your heart is what’s important, then you could just as easily stay at home and get an EMC to drop by on a Sunday.
 
Good post.

But always, always remember that many cannot kneel. It’s not just those with knee problems. Many of the elderly and many obese people cannot kneel, and some people have problems that cannot be observed that make it impossible for them to kneel.

So to say that kneeling is a more reverent posture than standing (or sitting, in the case of some people), is just a little stinging. I know you don’t intend it to be a hurtful comment, but it does hurt. It makes us regretful of what can never be. I have really been struggling with loss of mobility lately, and I’m quite depressed over the very real possibility that my feet and knees will never be better and that I will never be able to do some of the things that I enjoy again, like touring historical sites, walking along a beach, or visiting a museum. I’m trying to stop thinking about all the things I can’t do, and concentrate on all the things I can do, but it’s hard. I’m only 51.

I’ve been assured by TLM advocates that there has always been provision made for those who cannot kneel, thank goodness. That’s a kindness.

But I think it is hurtful when everyone else is kneeling, and I can’t. I would prefer that the Church not establish a practice that makes people stick out. But that’s just my preference. As long as the non-kneelers are accepted as total equals, it would work. I’m sure it worked in the past.

And I know that most decent people would never hold it against someone who cannot kneel. IMO, we should MOOB at Holy Communion and pay attention to our own hearts and make sure we are kneeling or prostrate in our hearts.
I of course when I stated that kneeling is more a reverent posture, I meant for those who can do so. When I attended an SSPX chapel, none of us blinked an eye at the one or two people who stood at the altar rail to receive. However the universal norm in the West is that kneeling is the ideal posture, and we, even if unable, should always strive for the ideal, which is our calling. Longing for the ideal is in fact a sign of a healthy spirit.

I think you should not feel bad you cannot kneel. As you point out, you know your own heart, so why do the other people matter? When you have to make additional efforts to show your veneration, and are not able to do as others do, in my mind you are kneeling in your heart. Kneeling is meant to be an act of humility. Since you cannot “follow the crowd” so to speak, your circumstances invite you to humility, in such a way that the effects of kneeling are still accomplished. God is therefore pleased, and that is all that matters.😉
 
Side note: one way the Devil and other hucksters get at you is through your pride. Hence all this New Age psychobabble: "You are special, you are important, what you feel is what’s right, go on, spoil yourself".
This can apply equally to either manner, depending on the circumstance. I truly do not see this as an issue much in either case. I think few people consider pride, psychobabble or themselves when receiving communion.
 
This can apply equally to either manner, depending on the circumstance. I truly do not see this as an issue much in either case. I think few people consider pride, psychobabble or themselves when receiving communion.
Sadly, I wonder if they think anything at all…besides how to navigate through this line and get back to my seat. Then, when they arrive, they are told to not kneel in thanksgiving, but remain standing, looking at one another. After Mass, when there might be a few moments for genuine, personal prayer…a few others are certain to start their conversations within earshot.

Add to this the statistical reports that claim that a large number of our ranks no longer (or never did?) believe in the True Presence and the picture is woeful indeed.

Therefore, I think it more important than ever to do our best to show by our attitude, physical and expressive, that we recognize the sanctity of the house of God and that He is truly present in the Holy Eucharist. To this end, kneeling whenever possible, and receiving on the tongue demonstrate this desire. As for being “different”, weren’t all the early Christians different? Aren’t we called to be different - to swim against the current tides? So swim, little Catholic fishes (symbols of Christianity!).👍
 
Actually, depending on where we live and if/when the swine flu “hits” a particular area, how people prefer to receive the host will be irrelevant. My bishop has decided that in the event swine flu becomes a problem in our diocese, then all Catholics (latin rite) will be asked to receive in the hand, and that we will not be drinking from the chalice.
That’s a case of, again, putting our needs ahead of concern for every precious particle of the Host.

In the case of this flu, I’d choose to do a Spiritual Communion instead, if I feared getting sick.
 
To this end, kneeling whenever possible, and receiving on the tongue demonstrate this desire.
Yes it can. I never mean to imply different. I just do not see it as the exclusive, or even the most important way.

BTW - We are about a fifty-fifty parish on this. It works well and people receive both ways. No one bebops up in communion line. The priest would call them down in a heartbeat. I have also seen him refuse communion. No one is ignorant of Church teaching on the Real Presence or of the need for reverence. I only say to point out there are places that this is done correctly.
 
“The second objection we wanted to consider was directed against the act of receiving Communion: kneeling - standing - hand - mouth. Well, first of all, I would like to say that both attitudes are possible, and I would like therefore to ask priests to exercise tolerance and to recognize the decision of each person; and I would further like to ask you all to exercise the same tolerance and not to cast aspersions on anyone who may have opted for this or that way of doing it.” – Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

“Well, here again we know that until the ninth century Communion was received in the hand, standing. That does not of course mean it should always be so. For what is fine, sublime, about the Church is that she is growing, maturing, understanding the mystery more profoundly. In that sense the new development that began after the ninth century is quite justified, as an expression of reverence, and is well-founded. But, on the other hand, we have to say that the Church could not possibly have been celebrating the Eucharist unworthily for nine hundred years.” – Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

“Anyone who reflects on this will recognize that on this point it is quite wrong to argue about this or that form of behavior. We should be concerned only to argue in favor of what the Church’s efforts were directed toward, both before and after the ninth century, that is, a reverence in the heart, an inner submission before the mystery of God that puts himself into our hands. Thus we should not forget that not only our hands are impure but also our tongue and also our heart and that we often sin more with the tongue than with the hands. God takes an enormous risk - and at the same time this is an expression of his merciful goodness - in allowing not only our hands and our tongue but even our heart to come into contact with him.” – Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Perhaps our best course of action is to follow this man’s wise advice?

– Mark L. Chance.
 
franciscan-archive.org/ap…ca/tongue.html [full text]

I quote:

“Was it universal? The history of Communion in the hand is often presented in certain quarters as follows: From the Last Supper on, Holy Communion was, as the norm, continually given in the hand. So it was during the age of the martyrs. And it continued to be so during that golden age of the Fathers and of the liturgy after the peace of Constantine in 313 A.D. And it continued to be the common practice until at least the tenth century. Thus for over half of the life of the Church it was the norm.”

“It is a compelling story. It is too bad that it is not true.”

“The sacred Council of Trent declared that the custom whereby only the priest-celebrant gives Communion to himself (with his own hands), and the laity receive It from him, is an Apostolic tradition.”

“A more rigorous study of available evidence from Church history and from writings of the Fathers does not support the assertion that Communion in the hand was a universal practice which was gradually supplanted and eventually replaced by the practice of Communion on the tongue. Rather, facts seem to point to a different conclusion: Pope St. Leo the Great (440-461) is an early witness of the traditional practice. In his comments on the sixth chapter of St. John’s Gospel he speaks of Communion in the mouth as the current usage: “One receives in the mouth what one believes by faith.” The Pope does not speak as if he were introducing a novelty, but as if this were a well established thing.”

“A century and a half later Pope St. Gregory the Great (died in 604) is another witness. In his dialogues he relates how Pope St. Agapitus performed a miracle during Mass, after having placed the Body of the Lord into someone’s mouth.”

“We are not claiming that under no circumstances whatever did the faithful receive by their own hands. But under what conditions did this happen? It does seem that from very early times on, it was usual for the priest to place the Sacred Host into the mouth of the communicant. However, during times of persecution, when priests were not readily available, and when the faithful took the Sacrament to their homes, they gave Communion to themselves by their own hand. Rather than be totally deprived of the Bread of Life, they could receive by their own hand. The same applied to monks who had gone out into the desert, where they would not have the services of a priest and would not want to give up the practice of daily holy Communion. St. Basil the Great (330-379) indicates that reception of Communion by one’s own hand was permitted precisely because of persecution, or, as was the case with monks in the desert, when no deacon or priest was available to give It.”

“Thus the Synod of Rouen, France, in about 878 directed: “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layman or laywomen, but only in their mouths” (“nulli autem laico aut feminae eucharistiam in manibus ponat, sed tantum in os eius”). (4) A non-ecumenical Council of Constantinople known as “In Trullo” in 692 A.D. prohibited the faithful from giving Communion to themselves (which is of course what happens when the Sacred Particle is placed in the hand of communicants), and decreed a censure against those who would do so in the presence of a bishop, priest or deacon.”

The problem in these times is A. It is not a time of persecution. B. The catechesis to prevent Communion in the Hand from being irreverent is sporadic at best. C. It should be an exception for difficult situations because it is an inferior practice for inciting reverence and in safety.

We have Councils testifying to the superiority of Communion on the Tongue. It is a done deal: It is superior, the Councils say it. Cardinal Ratzinger, in his private capacity had his opinion – But it is an opinion that is all.

And one which the changing times and results of the practice should make anyone think twice.
 
As it turns out, this thread has become very timely for me. In my last post, I stated that I thought that, whatever the history in the Church for this practice, receiving Holy Communion on the tongue gave a more profound outward sign of reverence and humility before God. I encouraged all here to consider this.

Another post recently mentioned that the bishops might forbid reception on the tongue in consideration of the recent swine flu scare. Well - guess what…yesterday just such an announcement was made in our parish! We were told that the Communion cup would not be offered and that we were to receive in the hand. The priests were also to use hand sanitizer before and after distribuing the Eucharist.

Somehow, especially after this discussion, I just could not bring myself to receive Our Lord in my hand. I do realize that my tongue is no more worthy to receive Him. However, it has not been touching pews, hymnals, doors, the hands of others, etc. More importantly though, I am bothered by the fear of dropping the host, and I have never received in the hand before. (The only time I ever touched a host was when, as I was kneeling at the altar rail to receive, an elderly priest dropped the host and told me to pick it up. I did so - out of obedience to him and to spare him any further embarrassement for having dropped it. Yet - later, I ardently wished that I had tried to pick it up with my tongue, as others before me have done.) Since I was so bothered by all this, as suggested, I made a spiritual communion instead.

I do not know how long this mandate will remain in effect. However, I do think that it was premature. Already the local news is telling us that the reaction to this outbreak may have been too exaggerated because very few have been contaminated and, of those, most have been healed. So I see this precaution as just that - a precaution, and not really necessary. It makes me sad that those like myself are being forced to accept a practice that we find uncomfortable, at least, when there is no obvious danger of spreading a present epidemic.

More importantly, though, I wonder just how long this ban will be in place. I asked an usher after Mass and he guessed it would last throughout the “flu season”. But if this particular illness never does begin to spread widely in our area, is that necessary?

I am a little concerned, since I live in a “liberal” area of the country, that this scare will be seen as an occasion to “teach” the Catholic community that we must all receive in the hand - that there may be a hope that extending this ban may result in crushing any personal desire for more reverence. I can only hope that I am wrong. I will certainly miss receiving Our Lord in His person each Sunday, waiting for the ban to be lifted. 😦
 
And one which the changing times and results of the practice should make anyone think twice.
Thank you, Shin, for posting this. I read it from an earlier link and found it enlightening. I agree…although I respect our Holy Father, he is usually not speaking “ex cathedra”, but as an individual. While I do respect the intentions of his heart and do my best to follow his lead, he is, nonetheless, capable of error in his personal capacity. This is what sometimes worries me…that our popes may be misinformed or even led astray in some of their thoughts by some theologian or other advisor who attracts their interest.

As Benedict says, we must not judge those who choose to receive differently than we. However, I have to wonder if he was misinformed about the history of how the Eucharist was received in the early Church (after reading the article you posted and a few others).

You also mentioned that some Church councils have stated that reception on the tongue was preferrable. Can you please cite which councils these were? I would like to have quotations from them on file. Thanks, Shin! 🙂
 
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