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LilyM
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I missed that too - shows that some of my early Catholic school training has stuck at least - I would never have dreamed of not doing the double genuflection!
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Brian_C
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Right, but what I’m trying to figure out is is this "genuflection on two knees aka kneeling) a brief kneel then back up or into the seat or are we talking about the same prayerful posture that we assume when praying to Christ in the Tabernacle prior to Mass on the kneeler board before taking our seat? I’ve only ever seen one person do both in my parish’s PAC.
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maryjk
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You go down on one knee, while still down, you bring the other down, you are now kneeling. You then stand up. Or like you said, a brief kneel, then back up.
Double genuflection.
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Brian_C
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Right, okay. In 7-8 months of adoration, I’ve only seen one person do that. Generally, everyone comes in, genuflects, then takes a prie-dieux (kneeler desk) and kneels in adoration for a minute or so, then gets in a chair for the rest of the time. Then, as their hour is ending, they do the reverse. Of course, there’s a Holy Water font by the door as well…
Our chapel is only 6 or so years old, so perhaps everyone was schooled by our previous pastor in proper liturgical postures. Although, we have plenty of people holding hands during the "Our Father…
Our chapel is only 6 or so years old, so perhaps everyone was schooled by our previous pastor in proper liturgical postures. Although, we have plenty of people holding hands during the "Our Father…
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Anne1964
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In the Adoration chapel I visit I have seen people genuflect, kneel, or make a profound bow. I have noticed that it is most often the older people that kneel.
Some people kneel at the prie dieu for a few minutes, and I have seen one woman kneel for the entire hour.
When I first started going I wasn’t sure what to do so I sat in the back and watched what other people did when they entered and left. Most of the people who visit kneel and bow their head, then get up and go to a prie dieu and kneel again.
Some people kneel at the prie dieu for a few minutes, and I have seen one woman kneel for the entire hour.
When I first started going I wasn’t sure what to do so I sat in the back and watched what other people did when they entered and left. Most of the people who visit kneel and bow their head, then get up and go to a prie dieu and kneel again.
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maryjk
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This is fine. Some people kneel the whole time, some kneel for a short time then sit, some will sit the whole time. The genuflection is what they should be told to do.Right, okay. In 7-8 months of adoration, I’ve only seen one person do that. **Generally, everyone comes in, genuflects, then takes a prie-dieux (kneeler desk) and kneels in adoration for a minute or so, then gets in a chair for the rest of the time. ** Then, as their hour is ending, they do the reverse. Of course, there’s a Holy Water font by the door as well…
Our chapel is only 6 or so years old, so perhaps everyone was schooled by our previous pastor in proper liturgical postures. Although, we have plenty of people holding hands during the "Our Father…
I go in, bow, kneel for a short time, then sit. I have kneel problems. My son, genuflects, then kneels. He stays kneeling, but doesn’t have to.
The whole idea is to be with the Lord. Since our parish is small, we have adoration once a month. I love how I can spend some time with Jesus. That is what it is all about.
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Brian_C
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Well, my hour is from 12-1 am so I do what I want, anyway!
Now, I do kneel, of course, for reposition if my 1-2 guy doesn’t show up.
A lot of times I will get on both knees and just stare in adoration right in front of the Blessed Sacrament.
Now, I do kneel, of course, for reposition if my 1-2 guy doesn’t show up.A lot of times I will get on both knees and just stare in adoration right in front of the Blessed Sacrament.
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Catholic90
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Is God more concerned with what we do with our knees, or what we do with our hearts?I just have one gripe. People who do not even “bother” to genuflect on both knees…or even just one.
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Nicholas_Larkin
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This practice is not only appropriate but praiseworthy. The rosary is not a prayer to Mary, but a prayer mediating through Mary on mainly the life of Jesus with the exception of the Assumption and Cornation, but even these mysteries reflect the love of God! Pope John Paul II actually stated in Rosarium Virginies (I think that is the title) that praying at a Holy Hour would bring great fruits from the rosary. Never be afraid to pray any prayer in front of the Blessed Sacrament, well I guess it you are praying to Ala or Bal, but be open to praying to Mary or the Saints, because they are just going to interceede for our request at the throne of God! May God bless you as you are enriched with His presence in the Most Blessed Sacrament of the Altar!
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LilyM
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Why not? Most of the Churches around here don’t have separate Adoration Chapels, so the Sacrament is exposed in the main body of the Church, pretty much constantly in some cases (unless there’s Mass going on).
If one ever wants to walk around the Stations of the Cross or pray in front of a saint’s statue one can’t avoid doing so in the presence of the Exposed Sacrament. What’s the alternative, to never do Stations of the Cross? Never pray in front of the statues?
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LilyM
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Why not? Most of the Churches around here don’t have separate Adoration Chapels, so the Sacrament is exposed in the main body of the Church, pretty much constantly in some cases (unless there’s Mass going on).
If one wanted to walk around and pray the Stations or in front of one of the statues in the main body of a church one really couldn’t avoid doing it in the presence of the Sacrament. What’s the alternative, to never do Stations of the Cross?
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rayne89
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Well if our hearts are where they should be we’d be on our knees.
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LilyM
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To be fair, if our hearts were REALLY where they should be we’d probably be on our knees 24 hours a day.
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tassitus
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This comment may be a bit late, but I am new to this forum and thought this is a good a place as any to dive right in! I hope it is somewhat timely.
I found a good explanation of the change from the “double genuflection” before the exposed Blessed Sacrament to the “single genuflection” now accepted. Here it is, from sxws.com/charis/questions-20.htm:
*Things were done a bit differently prior to Vatican II, as this definition of Genuflection from an older dictionary manifests: *
…momentary bending of one knee (the right) so as to touch the ground; the body should be held erect and the sign of the cross not made. This is one of the two normal ceremonial reverences…of the Latin church; it has to a great extent superseded the profound bow, general before the 16th century, still preferred by some religious orders, and almost universal in the East; at the English Convent of Canonesses regular at Bruges the young gentlewoman boarders were still in the 17th century instructed to curtsey to the Blessed Sacrament. All genuflect when passing before an altar at which the Blessed Sacrament is reserved or is lying upon the corporal during Mass, or upon which a relic of the True Cross is exposed, and to the unveiled cross throughout Good Friday. The clergy (excluding prelates) and assistants during liturgical functions genuflect to the altar-cross and to a bishop enthroned. Directions differ as to whether the server at low Mass should genuflect to the altar-cross; the S.R.C. (4193.1) says he should. There are various occasional genuflections, e.g., at the Incarnatus in the Creed, at Veni, Sancte Spiritus in the gradual at Whitsuntide, during the Te Deum, towards the end of the Epiphany Gospel, etc. The genuflections at the Consecration in Mass are relatively recent and are still not fully used by the Carthusians. A double genuflection consists in kneeling on both knees, bowing the head and rising; it is made only before the Blessed Sacrament when it is exposed. – Donald Attwater, Ed., Catholic Dictionary, © 1942, The MacMillan Company, p. 219 (Has Nihil Obstat & Imprimatur)
Compare with the “new” definition:
This act of bending the right knee to the floor and rising up again has had a number of meanings associated with it, from an act of penitence and supplication (e.g., before one’s master), to an act of veneration in front of a person of prominence (e.g., emperor or bishop) or a holy object (e.g., altar, relics, especially those of the True Cross), to an act of reverence before the exposed or reserved Sacrament in church. The postconciliar liturgical books indicate that “three genuflections are made during the Mass: after showing of the Eucharistic Bread, after the showing of the chalice, and before Communion” (General Instructions of the Roman Missal, n. 233) and that “genuflection in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament, whether reserved in the tabernacle or exposed for public adoration, is on one knee” (General Instruction on Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside Mass, n. 84) – Peter M. J. Stravinskas, S.T.L., Ed., Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Dictionary, © 1993, Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., pp. 228-29
Good enough explanation for me.
Terry
I found a good explanation of the change from the “double genuflection” before the exposed Blessed Sacrament to the “single genuflection” now accepted. Here it is, from sxws.com/charis/questions-20.htm:
*Things were done a bit differently prior to Vatican II, as this definition of Genuflection from an older dictionary manifests: *
…momentary bending of one knee (the right) so as to touch the ground; the body should be held erect and the sign of the cross not made. This is one of the two normal ceremonial reverences…of the Latin church; it has to a great extent superseded the profound bow, general before the 16th century, still preferred by some religious orders, and almost universal in the East; at the English Convent of Canonesses regular at Bruges the young gentlewoman boarders were still in the 17th century instructed to curtsey to the Blessed Sacrament. All genuflect when passing before an altar at which the Blessed Sacrament is reserved or is lying upon the corporal during Mass, or upon which a relic of the True Cross is exposed, and to the unveiled cross throughout Good Friday. The clergy (excluding prelates) and assistants during liturgical functions genuflect to the altar-cross and to a bishop enthroned. Directions differ as to whether the server at low Mass should genuflect to the altar-cross; the S.R.C. (4193.1) says he should. There are various occasional genuflections, e.g., at the Incarnatus in the Creed, at Veni, Sancte Spiritus in the gradual at Whitsuntide, during the Te Deum, towards the end of the Epiphany Gospel, etc. The genuflections at the Consecration in Mass are relatively recent and are still not fully used by the Carthusians. A double genuflection consists in kneeling on both knees, bowing the head and rising; it is made only before the Blessed Sacrament when it is exposed. – Donald Attwater, Ed., Catholic Dictionary, © 1942, The MacMillan Company, p. 219 (Has Nihil Obstat & Imprimatur)
Compare with the “new” definition:
This act of bending the right knee to the floor and rising up again has had a number of meanings associated with it, from an act of penitence and supplication (e.g., before one’s master), to an act of veneration in front of a person of prominence (e.g., emperor or bishop) or a holy object (e.g., altar, relics, especially those of the True Cross), to an act of reverence before the exposed or reserved Sacrament in church. The postconciliar liturgical books indicate that “three genuflections are made during the Mass: after showing of the Eucharistic Bread, after the showing of the chalice, and before Communion” (General Instructions of the Roman Missal, n. 233) and that “genuflection in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament, whether reserved in the tabernacle or exposed for public adoration, is on one knee” (General Instruction on Holy Communion and the Worship of the Eucharist Outside Mass, n. 84) – Peter M. J. Stravinskas, S.T.L., Ed., Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Dictionary, © 1993, Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., pp. 228-29
Good enough explanation for me.
Terry
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LuxAurumque
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Along with the double genuflection there is one more thing that has not been mentioned: prostration.
Along with the double genuflection, this is another form of reverence that can be made to our Eucharistic King. It is a laudable posture that one can use during adoration as well.
When I am in our chapel I always try to spend a little while in prostration, I find that it helps me understand humility in context to the most profound reality of the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Along with the double genuflection, this is another form of reverence that can be made to our Eucharistic King. It is a laudable posture that one can use during adoration as well.
When I am in our chapel I always try to spend a little while in prostration, I find that it helps me understand humility in context to the most profound reality of the Most Blessed Sacrament.
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theresa1967
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Thanks so much for that webcam fo Adoration, So awsome.
Guidance in all areas of life are so needed. blessings your way!
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CatholicSamurai
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Sorry to bring this thread back up but I don’t want to duplicate another thread.
My question is… is it ever appropriate to be singing praise and worship songs in front of the Blessed Sacrament? I mean, along with the praise and worship, I’ve seen or heard of some groups even performing pray overs before the Blessed Sacrament. I have always been under the impression that this should be a silent time with God.
Thanks.
My question is… is it ever appropriate to be singing praise and worship songs in front of the Blessed Sacrament? I mean, along with the praise and worship, I’ve seen or heard of some groups even performing pray overs before the Blessed Sacrament. I have always been under the impression that this should be a silent time with God.
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agapewolf
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Yes, it is appropriate.
Depends on the situation. A small parish perpetual adoration chapel is meant for people’s private prayer…so going in while someone else is scheduled and singing songs out loud would be inappropriate. (If you are by yourself, your prayer is what you want it to be).
However, community adoration time has no specific instruction… there is freedom for a group rosary, divine mercy, praise music, a homily, but it is required to have at least a little bit of silence. A community adoration time many times begins with O Salutaris and ends with Tantum Ergo, and then benediction.
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NewUlm1976_2000
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You can pretty much do any prayer you want, pre-made or from your own heart. If that times means a time of physical and mental silence for you, that also works. In short, there is no “right or wrong” way to do adoration. Sometimes even accidental naps while doing it overnight may have been the best way to do it for that time, as that would be connecting subconsciously during that time.
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CatholicSamurai
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. I am familiar with the O Salutaris and Tantum Ergo because that’s what we do in our Spirit & Truth groups. I just wasn’t sure about the pray overs because we don’t do that.
So then, what about when a person starts convulsing and starts praying in tongues as a result of being prayed over? And people bawling as a result of the pray over?
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