Eucharistic Ministers

[maryjk]

If there is no rail kneel on the step, or on the floor in front of the altar. If there is no room then the church must be small in which case the priest can easily do it on his own. I have never heard of the third case, I believe communion under one form is perfectly sufficient and have never drunk from a chalice. Why would someone be unable to recieve the the Host and yeat able to drink from the Chalice?

If someone has Celiac Disease, they can receive from the Chalice, but they can not receive the Host.

There is no room in our church unless they kneel on the top step, then I wonder how many accidents that might cause. And there are regularly 500+ at Mass. Maybe the priest can do it easily enough, but we must also be out in time for the next Mass.

 

[nice]

If someone has Celiac Disease, they can receive from the Chalice, but they can not receive the Host.

There is no room in our church unless they kneel on the top step, then I wonder how many accidents that might cause. And there are regularly 500+ at Mass. Maybe the priest can do it easily enough, but we must also be out in time for the next Mass.

I refer you back to my first post, i.e. this sounds like an extraordinary case. (But are there no other priests to help administer communion rather than lay-people?)

 

[Sir_Knight]

There is no need for Extraordinary Ministers of The Eucharist except in extraordinary circumstances.
If your short of time with only one priest to administer Comunnion, have the Faithful kneel at the altar rail, thus eliminating the need for abusive ‘Extraordinary Ministers’

So what do you say to your pastor when he asks you to help out in REGULARILY distributing the Eucharist? Do you say ‘no’? When he asks ‘why not’? What do you tell him? Do you tell him that he is wrong and that he doesn’t need help? Do you tell this man who went through eight years of formal training and have actually experience in running a parish that you(who have no actual experience and no formal training in the area) know how to shepard his flock better than he does?

 

[nice]

So what do you say to your pastor when he asks you to help out in REGULARILY distributing the Eucharist? Do you say ‘no’? When he asks ‘why not’? What do you tell him? Do you tell him that he is wrong and that he doesn’t need help? Do you tell this man who went through eight years of formal training and have actually experience in running a parish that you(who have no actual experience and no formal training in the area) know how to shepard his flock better than he does?

‘Pastor’? Do you mean Priest? Anyway, yes, I would say no, if he asks why I would simply tell him that I don’t agree with it. If he still asks why I would tell him that it is an abuse of the Blessed Sacrement.

 

[Biblioassistant]

We have a large parish and one priest. My father is an extraordinary minister of the Eucharist and my mother is home-bound. He brings her the Eucharist after Mass.

 

[nice]

From: The Holy See

[146.] There can be no substitute whatsoever for the ministerial Priesthood. For if a Priest is lacking in the community, then the community lacks the exercise and sacramental function of Christ the Head and Shepherd, which belongs to the essence of its very life.[247] For “the only minister who can confect the sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest”.[248]

It goes on to say:

When the Church’s NEEDS REQUIRE it, however, if sacred ministers are LACKING, lay members of Christ’s faithful may supply for certain liturgical offices according to the norm of law

 

[Sir_Knight]

From: The Holy See

[146.] There can be no substitute whatsoever for the ministerial Priesthood. For if a Priest is lacking in the community, then the community lacks the exercise and sacramental function of Christ the Head and Shepherd, which belongs to the essence of its very life.[247] For “the only minister who can confect the sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest”.[248]

It goes on to say:

When the Church’s NEEDS REQUIRE it, however, if sacred ministers are LACKING, lay members of Christ’s faithful may supply for certain liturgical offices according to the norm of law

And who is more QUALIFIED to make the determination – a priest who has formal training and actually experience or a parish member who has no formal training and no actual experience?

‘Pastor’? Do you mean Priest?

I mean the priest official placed in charged to run the parish by the local bishop. Every parish that I have ever been a member of, that priest was referred to as the “Pastor”. Our parish has two priests and three monsignors (one is retired) but the monsignor in charge of the parish is referred to as the Pastor.

Anyway, yes, I would say no, if he asks why I would simply tell him that I don’t agree with it. If he still asks why I would tell him that it is an abuse of the Blessed Sacrement.

And, as I just said above, you are more qualified to determine “abuse of the Blessed Sacrement” than a priest who has formal training and actual experience for what reason?

 

[nice]

Priests often wish to promote a liberal agenda which includes participation of the laity. I have been brought up in traditionalist Catholicism, and I am a traditionalist Catholic (I fully acknoledge the Pope and the Novus Ordo as valid. Just for the record.) I believe and I have always been taught, by priests, that for the laity to touch the Sacred Host with their hands, let alone administer it is an abuse.

I apologise if “Pastor? do you mean Priest?” sounded offensive. I have never heard a priest or a Catholic clergyman of any kind called a Pastor.

 

[maryjk]

I refer you back to my first post, i.e. this sounds like an extraordinary case. (But are there no other priests to help administer communion rather than lay-people?)

Nope, we have one Priest.

 

[nice]

Petition

For the Discontinuation of Extraordinary Ministers of The Eucharist

Click
petitiononline.com/extraord/petition.html

 

[JKirkLVNV]

‘Pastor’? Do you mean Priest? Anyway, yes, I would say no, if he asks why I would simply tell him that I don’t agree with it. If he still asks why I would tell him that it is an abuse of the Blessed Sacrement.

“Pastor” is the title of an office, which a priest holds. The Catholic Church has always used this title.

And something permitted by the Holy See is, by definition, not an abuse. That is, at least, the Catholic understanding.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I apologise if “Pastor? do you mean Priest?” sounded offensive. I have never heard a priest or a Catholic clergyman of any kind called a Pastor.

No offense taken. No apology needed.

Priests often wish to promote a liberal agenda which includes participation of the laity.

And who are we to judge a priest?

I have been brought up in traditionalist Catholicism, and I am a traditionalist Catholic

I also consider myself a traditional Catholic and I was taught to never critize a priest … *

“One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he’s in error, rather one should pray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after My example!” (page 29, Mutter Vogel’s Worldwide Love, St. Grignion Publishing House, Altoting, South Germany (29.6, 1929)

“When a Priest falls we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I, Myself will be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over me; child, never let a Priest be attacked, take up his defense.” (Feast of Christ the King, 1937)

"Child, Never judge your confessor, rather pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of My Blessed Mother, Holy Communion (for him) (18.6, 1939)

“Never accept an out-of-the-way word about a Priest, and speak no unkind word (about them) even if it were true! Every Priest is My Vicar and My heart will be sickened and insulted because of it! If you hear a judgment (against a Priest) pray a Hail Mary.” (28.6, 1939)

If you see a Priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily, tell it to God! He stands by Him on the altar!

… Our Lord’s revelations to Mutter Vogel.

(I fully acknoledge the Pope and the Novus Ordo as valid. Just for the record.) I believe and I have always been taught, by priests, that for the laity to touch the Sacred Host with their hands, let alone administer it is an abuse.

The quote which you yourself provided indicates that that is not the case and that it is permissible for the laity to administer the Eucharist.

 

[nice]

The quote which you yourself provided indicates that that is not the case and that it is permissible for the laity to administer the Eucharist.

Permissible in extreme circumstances.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Petition

For the Discontinuation of Extraordinary Ministers of The Eucharist

Click
petitiononline.com/extraord/petition.html

You are starting a petition to give to the Pope? And you consider yourself to be a traditional Catholic? The Catholic Church is not a democracy, or even a representative democracy. They don’t decide things by a show of hands. The pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, and it is the responsibility of the faithful to obey. The Church is not a democracy, and part of being Catholic is being cool with that. – tscott.typepad.com/tsp/2005/04/the_catholic_ch.html

 

[Sir_Knight]

Permissible in extreme circumstances.

And I ask again, who is more qualified to make that determination – a priest who has formal training and actual experience or a non-priest who has no formal training or experience in this area?

 

[nice]

You are starting a petition to give to the Pope? And you consider yourself to be a traditional Catholic? The Catholic Church is not a democracy, or even a representative democracy. They don’t decide things by a show of hands. The pope is the vicar of Christ on earth, and it is the responsibility of the faithful to obey. The Church is not a democracy, and part of being Catholic is being cool with that. – tscott.typepad.com/tsp/2005/04/the_catholic_ch.html

I am actually just this minute trying to find how to de activate it. It wasn’t serious really, just in the heat of the moment kind of thing.

 

[Orionthehunter]

Priests often wish to promote a liberal agenda which includes participation of the laity. I have been brought up in traditionalist Catholicism, and I am a traditionalist Catholic (I fully acknoledge the Pope and the Novus Ordo as valid. Just for the record.) I believe and I have always been taught, by priests, that for the laity to touch the Sacred Host with their hands, let alone administer it is an abuse.

I apologise if “Pastor? do you mean Priest?” sounded offensive. I have never heard a priest or a Catholic clergyman of any kind called a Pastor.

Bolded: This may be what you believe and what you have been taught by ill-informed Priests but that is not the teaching of the Church. It is permitted in the US for one to recieve in the hand. (For the record, I have never recieved in the hand. But I make no judgment of those who exercise their right to do so).

Underlined: Pastor is the title given to a Priest in charge of a parish. Some parishes have Associate Pastors (assistants) and “Priest in residence” which is often a retired Priest who lives in the rectory and assists in Masses and other duties. Sometimes Priests in residence are those who live in the rectory but whose duties are not Pastoral at the parish (ie assigned to a hospital or possibly a teacher or Rector at a school). Rector is a Priest in charge of a school.

Priest is related to their office in the Church and describes they are empowered to perform all the Sacraments. Bishops and Popes are first and foremost a Priest.

 

[nice]

Bolded: This may be what you believe and what you have been taught by ill-informed Priests but that is not the teaching of the Church. It is permitted in the US for one to recieve in the hand. (For the record, I have never recieved in the hand. But I make no judgment of those who exercise their right to do so).

Underlined: Pastor is the title given to a Priest in charge of a parish. Some parishes have Associate Pastors (assistants) and “Priest in residence” which is often a retired Priest who lives in the rectory and assists in Masses and other duties. Sometimes Priests in residence are those who live in the rectory but whose duties are not Pastoral at the parish (ie assigned to a hospital or possibly a teacher or Rector at a school). Rector is a Priest in charge of a school.

Priest is related to their office in the Church and describes they are empowered to perform all the Sacraments. Bishops and Popes are first and foremost a Priest.

OK, OK. Well I believe what I have always been taught.

The Pastor thing. I get it now, you’re about the 4th person to tell me. The reason I picked up on it in the first place is that I associated it with Protestant denominations.

 

[Cobbfmly]

Our parish has one English speaking priest, one Spanish speaking priest, one English speaking deacon, three Spanish speaking deacons and 3,000 families. On Saturday evening we have one English and one Spanish mass and on Suday we have 3 English masses and 4 Spanish masses. There is no way that without the help of EMHCs we could have enough masses to serve our parish.

We could have fewer masses to allow more time for Eucharist, but the fire department would heavily fine us for overcrowding the church and creating an unsafe situation.

We are working towards being able to build a 1,200 seat church so that we can have fewer masses and more time for each mass. This is still many years away.

All EMHC’s at our parish are aware that if there is/are priest(s) and/or deacon(s) from another parish attending the mass, they will be serving rather than the EMHC’s. In another words, in our parish, EMHCs only help when there are not enough priests and/or deacons at a mass to meet the needs of the parish.

 

[Sir_Knight]

OK, OK. Well I believe what I have always been taught.

50+ years ago people were taught that it was a sin to eat meat on Fridays. If they continue to believe that it is still a sin to eat meat on Fridays today, they would be mistaken. Times change and so do church practices and disciplines. As long nobody attempts to change a church doctrine or dogma, we, the faithful, are to accept it.