Eucharistic Prayer question

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Am I missing something here?

At the Final Doxology when the priest does the minor elevation of the Eucharist:

Priest: Through him, with him, and in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours, almighty Father, for ever and ever.
All: Amen!

One of our priests always says “almighty God” instead of “almighty Father”.

Is there a reason behind this? Can the presider say it either way?
 
I suppose the good Father would say that “God” = “Father”. However, from what I have seen from other parishes/ priests the likely reason is the same that some priests will substitute “God” for “HIS” in the “Pray brethren” (May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of His <God’s> name, for our good and the good of all His <God’s> holy church). . .and that reason is “gender inclusion”. Saying “He”, “Him”, “Father” would be INSENSITIVE to women, dont’cha know.

I have to say I am getting TIRED of offering these little things up.

Probably it is at worst illicit (if done specifically thinking that “I can’t go around alienating the women by artificially “making God” into some patriastic being when of COURSE God is a SPIRIT with no gender”). Won’t invalidate the Mass, luckily. Father may have the best intentions in the world of being a real force for unity etc. but that doesn’t make him correct. Pray for him and all people.
 
The priest is not permitted to change from the approved translation, which has “Father”. The 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum has:

“[59.] The reprobated practice by which Priests, Deacons or the faithful here and there alter or vary at will the texts of the Sacred Liturgy that they are charged to pronounce, must cease. For in doing thus, they render the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy unstable, and not infrequently distort the authentic meaning of the Liturgy.”
 
Tantum ergo:
Probably it is at worst illicit (if done specifically thinking that “I can’t go around alienating the women by artificially “making God” into some patriastic being when of COURSE God is a SPIRIT with no gender”). Won’t invalidate the Mass, luckily. Father may have the best intentions in the world of being a real force for unity etc. but that doesn’t make him correct. Pray for him and all people.
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Pax vobiscum!

I think you got it right on. At this point, the species have already been consecrated.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Or he just sat the FA part of father louder than the THER part and all you heard was FA and you simply misunderstood him.
 
He’s just trying to be “non-offensive” by being “gender neutral”. Be glad that you don’t have to put up with one priest who sometimes celebrates a Mass I attend and prefaces the Lord’s Prayer with “God is both our Father and our Mother and so we have the courage to say…”
 
Some years ago, a priest tried to baptize an infant in the name of the “Creator, Savior, and Sanctifier” and was told that this was invalid and the child had to be validly baptized with the correct form. The doxology at the end of the Eucharistic prayer is a trinitarian statement. “Father” is the relation God the Father holds to Jesus Christ (the “Him” in “Through Him”), so it is always appropriate to address him as “Father” even if some people are more comfortable in their personal prayer with just “God,” which is also a frequent form of address in the liturgy, particularly in various collects. For this reason alone, there is no justification for changing the word in the doxology.
 
You know, I blew it. Victim of years of Novus Ordo taking for granted myself when I know better.

The Latin is "Per ipsum et cum ipso et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipotenti, in unitate Spiritus Sancti, omnis honor et gloria. Per omnia, etc.

In other words, God is addressed as “God the Father.” That does not justify chaniging the word in the bishops-committee-approved form, but it does call into question once again why they adopted a translation that was not more literal and that has contributed to the ulceration of the stomach of many loyal catholics at every Mass they have attended now for forty years.
 
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NPS:
One of our priests always says “almighty God” instead of “almighty Father”.
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There is a reasoning behind it, if the priest feels the need to change the wording it is due to one thing or another that does not line up with what is printed in that Missal for him to say.

Eliminating the word “Father” is an attempt to eliminate God as Father in the male sense…i.e. the priest is doing the will of the feminists who want to be priestesses.

Ken
 
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NPS:
Am I missing something here?

At the Final Doxology when the priest does the minor elevation of the Eucharist:

Priest: Through him, with him, and in him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is yours, almighty Father, for ever and ever.
All: Amen!

One of our priests always says “almighty God” instead of “almighty Father”.

Is there a reason behind this? Can the presider say it either way?
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Is the priest looking at the missal as he says this? One thing I noticed when a priest came to visit, and sometimes with our new priest, is that they don’t look at the book for certain parts of the Mass and end up trying to recite the offertory, or the final doxology, or the pax, or whatever, from memory- which of course is not always accurate. Guess that a good reason to have altar cards 🙂
 
Thanks all. There’s no question he says it intentionally. I go to weekday mass 3 or 4 times a week and we have this priest as celebrant often. I guess he is trying to be more “inclusive” etc etc. 😦 The funny thing is, he doesn’t do those type of things elsewhere during mass and has even mentioned “bringing back the old ways” or other such comments (said in a positive way) occassionally.
 
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He’s just trying to be “non-offensive” by being “gender neutral”. Be glad that you don’t have to put up with one priest who sometimes celebrates a Mass I attend and prefaces the Lord’s Prayer with “God is both our Father and our Mother and so we have the courage to say…”
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Pax tecum!

Go straight to the bishop!!! This is outright heresy. God is not our mother; He is only our Father. This doesn’t mean He is a male in the human sense, of course, but He is NOT our mother! He is our Father! That’s why Jesus said He is our Father; Jesus NEVER said “God is both our Father and our Mother”. Aside from that, the priest is changing the words of the Missal–he is supposed to say, “Jesus taught us to call God our Father…”

In Christ,
Rand
 
The priest at the local church here does that part of the Eucharistic Prayer by saying "All together now, Through Him, with Him… The entire congregation says that part, except for me, of course, and then finishes with Amen. It is one of many things that drives me a little crazy and why I don’t attend Mass there unless I have to. I will be attending Holy Thursday Mass there and I am almost afraid to go. Everyone pray for me. Maybe I will take 2 rosaries instead of my usual one.
 
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