Europe Migration Crisis

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Why does the UN think the immigrants are “necessary” for Europe’s survival, and why does the UN get any say in the matter?
 
You are still deflecting.

You seem to be advocating that your navy work for free as “smugglers” (that’s the term in the EU Press) and complete the journey the immigrants paid actual smugglers to accomplish.
 
It does seem that you are advocating for similar travel guides like the paid coyotes. In this case its the Ireland government picking up the costs. Nobody is trying to load American slang on your adopted country, or your wife’s, or relatives that you so often quote.
Most everyone who is up on current affairs knows what the term “coyote” means and its not the four legged canine type chasing the roadrunner!
 
There is certainly different terminology used in Europe from here and the geography is quite different as well. That said, the presence of human smugglers getting paid sizable fees is something common to both regions.

We also have some equivalence in governments picking up at least some costs. Take a look at the Refugee Resettlement Centers in the US. Lot of money there. Who’s funding them?

Looking at the larger picture, when the world was considerably less populated than it is now, it was possible for economic migrants to find less populated areas and you will find quite a few of these pockets in the US. Also in the past, there were not anywhere near the social welfare programs that exist today. So economic migrants who did go somewhere knew they were on their own and were mostly prepared to put in the work. But now populations are large everywhere and further migration is running into this reality. Further, social welfare programs have become the biggest draw. Nothing like something for nothing. The Africans and the Middle Easterners who flood Europe all want to go to Germany, the UK or one of the Scandinavian countries because that is who has the best benefits.

It is simply not possible for either Europe or the USA to take on everyone who wants to come here. The logical extreme of allowing that is society-wide and governmental collapse. The uncomfortable truth is that we cannot support and subsidize everyone who wants to come here, hence the line has to be drawn and enforced. From there, we’ll have to get smarter about how to help these migrants where they are coming from.
 
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Interesting… you say Ireland is not my adopted country and you are Irish but live in England. Were you born in Ireland (a native son?) Is Ireland a dual citizenship country, also Russia and Spain? If you are aware of the term “coyote”, what about it is so upsetting to you. Seems like your animosity is toward America and directly toward President Trump. “Idiocies” is a word describing extreme retardation or stupidity. It is quite a reach to come up with that insult. Quite frankly, the progressive left can expect to be called out for their offensive behavior toward the United States and our President. An apology would be the right thing to offer.
 
European Catholic Bishops and delegates responsible for the Pastoral Care of Migrants arrived in Stockholm on Friday to discuss how best to combat negative media on mass immigration.

The title of the three-day summit, “A movement of humanity: the flow of migrants and news. Dialogue and communication for a culture of encounter,” highlights the media-based tone of the encounter, which seeks to implement Pope Francis’s call for a “change in mindset” regarding immigration.

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I wish the Pope could do something about Schneider first of all. His notions are completely at odds with his European brother-bishops.
 
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(ANSA) - Innsbruck, July 12 - The interior ministers of Italy, Matteo Salvini, Germany, Horst Seehofer, and Austria, Herbert Kickl, said Thursday after a trilateral meeting in Innsbruck that they agree that the flow of migrants crossing the Mediterranean Sea to reach Europe must be stemmed and that only refugees fleeing war must be allowed to reach the continent. The premiers said they are scheduled to meet again on July 19 in Vienna “to continue the positive cooperation and to realize this great project”, said Kickl. “We agree on very important things that concern Europe’s future”. He described immigration as an issue “where there was a lack of order for a long time, which we want to bring, avoiding that migrants can easily reach Europe, apart from truly vulnerable people”. Matteo Salvini said after the trilateral meeting that he will be satisfied “if Italian proposals will be able to become European with a reduction of departures, landings, deaths and costs”. “If the Italian model will become European it will be a reason to be proud”.

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Italy, Germany, Austria agree on immigration, ministers say - News - Nuova Europa

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Viktor Orban and Merkel presser on Europe, military and migration
 
(AP) — Hungarian lawmakers have approved a 25 percent tax on financial or material support for groups promoting migration.

The special tax embodies the anti-migrant policies of Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who says that the mass entry into Europe by mainly Muslim migrants threatens the continent’s Christian culture.

The bill, passed Friday as part of wider changes to Hungary’s tax laws, says revenues from the new tax can be used only on border defense.

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Hungary Passes Tax Against Support for Mass Migration

(AP) -- Hungarian lawmakers have approved a 25 percent tax on financial or material support for groups promoting migration. | London / Europe
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Caldera said:
European Catholic Bishops and delegates responsible for the Pastoral Care of Migrants arrived in Stockholm on Friday to discuss how best to combat negative media on mass immigration.
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They are worried about “negative media”.

Instead they should publicize their campaign to baptize as Catholics all migrants.
 
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Outrage After Dutch Minister Says Multicultural Societies Breed Conflict

Dutch FM Stef Blok has said that ethnic diversity breeds conflict, and challenged people to name a "peaceful" multicultural society.
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“In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion,” he said, adding it would result in a “constant clash” in which demographics were the decider of election outcomes.

Blok also told the Hague audience there is a likely a genetic component to the troubles which arise from multiculturalism and the fact that humans prefer to operate within groups of people who are similar.
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Lee Kwan Yew was the first to say that. As the first Prime Minister of Singapore, he certainly had a ringside seat to the kind of jostling that happens among multiple ethnic groups in a democratic country.

In a mostly homogeneous society there is plenty of room for differences of ideology based on economics and social interests. But in multiracial societies, this dynamic almost always changes. In other words, ideology based on economics tends to give way to ideology based on race and/or religion.

While there has always been some amount of mixing, most people are fundamentally tribal in nature and usually want to hang out with people who look like them. 70 years of social conditioning doesn’t erase 200,000 years of human existence.
 
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How do you think things worked out in Singapore?
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They worked out well. For that country. First sentence is the point you want to make. Ta da! But the second sentence points to the circumstances you’re not considering.

I’ll counter your point by saying Singapore has very significant differences from the US. First, it is a very small country, only 278 square miles which is about 60% of the size of Los Angeles. Second, social control laws are very stiff compared to the US; for example, no littering, caning for simple offenses, death penalty for drug smugglers, very high alcohol and tobacco taxes, etc. There is a degree of this that we would not tolerate in the US, but it works for them. Third, legal immigration is much more tightly controlled than here. Fourth, the multicultural nature of Singapore was there from the origin of that country whereas in the US, getting there has been a difficult process dating back to at least the 1840’s. Even then, Singapore had serious issues dealing with this in the 1960’s and 70’s which dated from the origin of the country. This happened because of the conflicts between the Chinese and the ethnic Malays which resulted in the split of Singapore from Malaysia. So Singapore is majority Chinese while Malaysia is majority Malay.

A close friend lived in Singapore for six years, I went there for work three times and for vacation twice. Our experience is that the ethnic tensions are still there under the surface but as long as the economy is going well and everyone gets fed, no one will upset the cart. Remains to be seen what will happen should the world economy tank and drag Singapore down with it.

You want a closer comparison to the US, you might try some of the larger European countries that have taken a lot of migrants. Or you could try Brazil.
 
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