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bones_IV
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Would this mean punishing Countries like the Vatican? If so, this could get very ugly in a hurry.
European parliament to punish countries that do not approve homosexual “marriage”
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MikeWM
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Well, Tony Blair isn’t actually a Catholic, although there is much speculation that he will convert when he leaves Number 10. He got into trouble a while back for receiving communion while not a Catholic.
As for Europe, you are entirely right. I find it quite amusing that some people here are accused of rampant anti-Americanism in what they post, yet people seem to think they have carte blanche to post whatever insults they like about Europe. Ho-hum
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MikeWM
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No. The Vatican isn’t a member of the EU.
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Wolseley
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Much ado about nothing, friends.
The present population of the EU is about 450 million, with 15 million of them Muslims.
However, the native birth rate among many European countries is low or even negative. Muslim births in Europe, on the other hand, double about once every twelve years.
This means that by 2050, there will 240 million Muslims in Europe, and that’s not counting Muslim immigrants.
Do the math.
Once Sha’ira replaces the European court, homosexuals won’t be getting “married”, they’ll be getting beheaded.
(shrug) It’s sad, but it’s also the way it is, folks. The wave of the future.
Ya illah Allah…Mohammed rasul Allah. Salaam.
The present population of the EU is about 450 million, with 15 million of them Muslims.
However, the native birth rate among many European countries is low or even negative. Muslim births in Europe, on the other hand, double about once every twelve years.
This means that by 2050, there will 240 million Muslims in Europe, and that’s not counting Muslim immigrants.
Do the math.
Once Sha’ira replaces the European court, homosexuals won’t be getting “married”, they’ll be getting beheaded.
(shrug) It’s sad, but it’s also the way it is, folks. The wave of the future.
Ya illah Allah…Mohammed rasul Allah. Salaam.
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Libero
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Whilst the numbers of Muslims may increase, I certainly doubt that the power they hold over Europe shall. Europe has had a taste of this western democratic way of life, there would be outcry if we started to move backwards again.
If it does start to become out of hand, it will simply die, and people will ignore it, just like the League of Nations did.
If it does start to become out of hand, it will simply die, and people will ignore it, just like the League of Nations did.
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bones_IV
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Could EU force the Vatican to join? Although I could doubt it.
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Al_Masetti
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First, this issue is probably why the Holy Spirit / the Cardinals selected a German to be the Pope during this critical time.
Second, we may find out what the 21st Century version of persecution means.
Remember the TV commercial for a credit card: “WHAT’S IN YOUR WALLET?”
Well, here it is: " How STRONG is YOUR faith???"
Second, we may find out what the 21st Century version of persecution means.
Remember the TV commercial for a credit card: “WHAT’S IN YOUR WALLET?”
Well, here it is: " How STRONG is YOUR faith???"
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Libero
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The EU may not want to have the Vatican. They probably have predicted that it would give the Vatican a stronger pulpit in which to spread the Catholic message, something they may consider dangerous.
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Digger71
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Fantastic! “Only civilised behaviour is allowed in our club!”
GREAT!!
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Digger71
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that’s a very bloody wish you have there.
Luckily, western society is highly seductive. You doom filled curses will probably come to nothing.
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Ortho
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As I look at Massachusetts, I don’t see a problem. There were dire predictions prior to gay marriage. Now that we can see a society with gay marriage, what’s the beef? And half the population is Catholic.
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Catholic29
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Passage of pro-homosexual laws doesn’t result in armageddon over night, bit in 20 years you will see the beef.
Half of Massachusetts may be Catholic by birth, but not by belief. Nothing in Catholicism teaches that God created man for man or woman for woman, if nothing else it rejects such a concept. That is in a nutshell why Catholics reject same-sex marriage.
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
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Ortho
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What will we see in 20 years?
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Catholic29
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If we have gay-marriage, I care not to guess.
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Wolseley
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Well, time will eventually tell as to which one of us made the better guess.
And by the way, I am wishing nothing, nor cursing anyone. All I’m doing is making projections based on current demographic trends.
If I did have a wish, it would be for Europe to return to solid Christian faith, such as most Europeans had before the 20th century came along.
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Ortho
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Oh, come on. If you have a time frame, that time frame must be based on some predicted events or situations. What do you predict?
I don’t know what will happen 20 years.
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Matt25
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The Catholic News Agency in Rome, Zenit reports it like this zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=83146
European countries that do not recognize same-sex unions have been condemned as “homophobic” by a resolution of the European Parliament. The nonbinding resolution passed Thursday by a vote of 468-149. There were 41 abstentions. Mario Mauro, vice president of the European Parliament, said in statements to ZENIT that “an ideological document has been approved that has very little to do with the concrete protection of people’s fundamental rights.”
Mauro said that the document, which refers to religious freedom as a “source of discrimination,” is “in open contradiction with treaties and even common sense.” Riccardo Cascioli, president of the European Center of Studies on Population, Environment and Development, told ZENIT that **“for the umpteenth time, a European institution pronounces itself on a topic – such as the family – which is the strict domain of each of the member states.” **
“It is obvious,” Cascioli said, “that human rights have become a pretext to affirm an ideology that not only has nothing to do with the good of the person, but that is even a source of violence against individuals, communities and peoples.”
European countries that do not recognize same-sex unions have been condemned as “homophobic” by a resolution of the European Parliament. The nonbinding resolution passed Thursday by a vote of 468-149. There were 41 abstentions. Mario Mauro, vice president of the European Parliament, said in statements to ZENIT that “an ideological document has been approved that has very little to do with the concrete protection of people’s fundamental rights.”
Mauro said that the document, which refers to religious freedom as a “source of discrimination,” is “in open contradiction with treaties and even common sense.” Riccardo Cascioli, president of the European Center of Studies on Population, Environment and Development, told ZENIT that **“for the umpteenth time, a European institution pronounces itself on a topic – such as the family – which is the strict domain of each of the member states.” **
“It is obvious,” Cascioli said, “that human rights have become a pretext to affirm an ideology that not only has nothing to do with the good of the person, but that is even a source of violence against individuals, communities and peoples.”
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bones_IV
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Do you think that the EU could force Italy to revoke the Vatican’s sovereignty? Is it even remotely possible?
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Catholic29
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Okay, since you insist on an answer. I predict within 20 years of gay-marriage being introduced, marriage as God intended it to be will be replaced by innumerable relationships which are closed to the gift of life, as two of the same gender cannot procreate. But that is just me, I can’t predict what will happen in 20 years, I am not God. Sorry to dissapoint you if my answer doesn’t satisfy you.
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Libero
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This is the case in virtually all modern countries that have a longish history with the faith.
That isn’t really a consequence though, it is not talking about all the bad things that will happen because of gay marriages, in essence this is really just defining what a gay marriage would be - a marriage in which the two partners could not create a child.
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