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Why do you think people go to those evangelical/non-denomonational churches?

I think they might be seeking God but the just haven’t come to the fullness of truth yet=the Catholic Church.

What do you all think?
 
Why do you think people go to those evangelical/non-denomonational churches?

I think they might be seeking God but the just haven’t come to the fullness of truth yet=the Catholic Church.

What do you all think?
I think the answer is in your question. Most people who attend church are seeking God. There are those who do go to church for social or political reasons, but I still believe they are the minority.

My cousin and his wife attended a Mega church for awhile. They enjoyed the music and the pastor’s preaching, but they eventually left because wanted to go back to the personal and friendly environment of a small town church.

Unfortunately many of America’s God seekers with roots in evangelical churches will never discover the fullness of the faith, because they have a deep rooted bigotry against Catholicism. I thank God that he showed me that I was living with my eyes half open.
 
Mega churches are big and shiny but I don’t see how anyone can pray properly with all the pounding noise and the occasional TV camera swinging over their head. I suspect they are searching in the wrong place for what they want. (unless what they want is big performance)
 
I think some people think big and flashy must equal better and truer. E.g. They must be doing something right to be this successful.
 
They can go to church when then want, when they miss, no one notices.
 
Wow , is that right? I would hate to think “people” are monitoring when I go to mass. How would they know? There are many different mass times and even different parishes. Certainly not everyone goes to the same mass every week, sits in the same pew, in the same place in the same pew, etc?
 
Not only that but your comment is not true. I have several evangelical friends that go to large churches where they are very involved in actual ministry and never miss church unless very ill or have some other extreme circumstance. Just like a Catholic would.
 
It seems to me many that go to these churches are people who have sinful pasts who are just finding Jesus and forgiveness. These big mega churches, non denominational, lots of music and such makes them more comfortable than if they went to a traditional Catholic, Lutheren etc service that is more formal. I think they are great stepping stones for these people but would hope in time they move to a more traditional avenue. I have quite a few friends that had drug problems and the like and most that have found God all go to these type of churches. Maybe it’s just the sample of people I know but that seems to me the case.
 
That is a good point. Some people do feel more comfortable in the casual environment, plus it is easier to “get lost” in the big crowd. Going to a smaller liturgical church would be less comfortable, I am sure.
 
i think they are looking for God and fellowship and a feeling of belonging.

maybe some didn’t have a religious upbringing and this is all they know. they are attracted to the music, the coffee bar, the different ministries. maybe they like the sermons and the Bible studies.

some people like being in a big crowd where they don’t stand out.
 
The churches who are most hurt by megachurches are all those little churches in the area.

You’ve seen them.

These little churches have a few hundred or so members who attend faithfully and support the church with their time, talents, and finances.

They usually are able to afford a decent salary for a pastor, sometimes even an associate pastor, a secretary/receptionist, and a maintenance person.

The are wonderful little multigenerational communities, where everyone knows and loves each other. Although there is nothing particularly professional in the music, it is often sweet and enthusiastic, as are all the programs in the church. The people are friendly and grow very close outside of the church, too. (Sometimes this kind of thing can turn into a cult, but that’s pretty unusual.) Lots of good for the community, as these little churches do quiet good works that benefit everyone.

But since they are so small in numbers, and usually remain stable in their numbers (don’t grow much), they can’t afford to lose too many families. If you have 200 people in the parish, losing even 20 people (four or five families) is ten percent.

Think how it would affect you to lose 10 % of your family’s income. It’s not easy, is it?

So when more than 10% depart to attend the megachurch (often because of the great music and the children’s and teen ministries), the little church starts struggling a little . The pastor, associate, secretary, and maintenance person will often take a cut in salary, and some of the programs are budgeted for less (e.g., Sunday school, or VBS).

But then because of the cuts, even more people decide to leave the little church and attend the megachurch.

So now things are more critical. The associate pastor has to either resign, or take on a secular job to support his family.

And since the associate pastor is gone, the pastor has to do more, and the programs are cut back even more, and more people leave the church, and so the secretary is forced to cut hours so much that he/she can’t afford to work at the church anymore and he/she resigns.

And so the pastor and the maintenance person struggle on…

Can you see what’s happening here? As more and more cuts in staff and programs are made out of necessity, more and more members depart for the megachurch, necessitating even more cuts, which means even more members leave, and eventually one lone pastor is doing it all-his pastoral work (preaching, visitation, evangelism, etc.), all the secretarial and receptionist work (including taking calls, paying the bills, etc.), and eventually even the maintenance work, including the repairs to the aging church building, which gradually falls more and more into disrepair due to lack of finances.

Obviously this is a hard life for this pastor, his family (especially his wife), and of course, the die-hard members who remain. Often members will volunteer to help out with secretarial and maintenance work, and sometimes a few families will give money sacrificially to keep the church going.

But it’s really hard, and all too often, the eventual result is that the little church closes.

Keep this in mind.

A few years back, I attended the funeral of my great-uncle at one of these little churches. Afterward at the luncheon, I sat with the pastor and had a very serious chat about megachurches. Yes, families in his little church have departed and now attend our city’s megachurch (which attracts more than 10,000 people every Sunday–almost 10% of our city’s population).

This dear pastor, a middle-aged man, told me that people attend megachurches to heal.

They have been hurt by their churches. Sometimes the hurts are serious (e.g., sexual abuse at the hands of a priest or pastor). But often the hurts are not so obviously serious, but they are painful for the one(s) who have experienced them. E.g., a gossip in the church destroys someone’s reputation. Or perhaps an elderly person was ignored and no one visited them for months (visitation of the elderly is a big thing in many Protestant churches). Or a young mom was told that her child was disturbing everyone and she shouldn’t bring him/her to church anymore. Or a parent was told that their teenager must be left at home because their goth apparel was inapropriate for church.

Or often, a person’s ministry is denigrated. E.g., a Sunday school teacher is told that his lessons are too “Catholic.” Or a music leader is told that her conducting is “sensual and suggestive.” Or a teenager is told that his special solos are too “rocky” or too “classical.”

It could be any number of hurtful situations. People can usually handle a few hurtful incidents–after all, that’s life. But when the hurtful situation goes on for weeks or months, many people can’t take it anymore, and they become discouraged and angry and depart.

These people often are not mad at God–they are just hurt over the actions of their fellow Christians, who are supposed to be charitable.

So these hurt souls go to a megachurch where they can hide for a while and nurse their hurts and get healed.

After a few years, they are ready to try a regular church again.

That’s what this pastor told me. And he said that he is always on the lookout for those who are trying to come back to the regular church after a sojourn in the megachurch.
He treats them gently, and gives them much love and nurturing so that they will be able to fit in with his church, make friends, and be restored to the joy of the Lord.

What a great pastor!

I believe that this scenario occurs often in the Catholic parishes, and that the Catholic priests and community need to be watchful for those who feel that they have healed enough to try to come back home again. We need to treat them with care.
 
Mega churches are big and shiny but I don’t see how anyone can pray properly with all the pounding noise and the occasional TV camera swinging over their head. I suspect they are searching in the wrong place for what they want. (unless what they want is big performance)
For many evangelicals, prayer is private, not at all part of corporate worship. That’s not always the case but it often is.

Many of the modern rock band style non-denominational Evangelical Churches I have attended start with a few songs by a pretty good country/rock style band, which may or may not be religiously themed. There will then be a 45 minute or hour long sermon. The whole thing might have a 30 second prayer at the end.

It is quite common for the pastor to finish his sermon and simply say, “Thanks for coming, praise God” and walk off the stage. What may happen after that, depending on the Church, is rock and roll style “Praise and worship”, very emotional and experice based, but prayer as Catholics know it - kneeling in adoration and conversation with God - is often not part of the worship experience. That is reserved for the individual’s “Quiet time” as part of his personal relationship with God.

-Tim-
 
Mega churches are big and shiny but I don’t see how anyone can pray properly with all the pounding noise and the occasional TV camera swinging over their head. I suspect they are searching in the wrong place for what they want. (unless what they want is big performance)
It’s what you’re used to, what you’ve grown up with, and what your personality is like.

I personally don’t see how anyone can pray properly when the priest has his back turned, and everything is in a foreign spoken in low tones that can barely be heard, and the music is that spooky chanty stuff.

But that’s because I didn’t grow up with it, I’m not used to it, and my personality clashes with it.

I personally worship best with a good orchestra or band (a GOOD band, not a boomer rock band of volunteers!). I love the pipe organ, too, but playing hymns, preferably the good old German hymns. This is what I grew up with, and it fits my personality.

I understand that everyone is different, and that what works for me doesn’t work for everyone else. I also understand that the Church doesn’t care what I like or what anyone else likes.
 
For many evangelicals, prayer is private, not at all part of corporate worship. That’s not always the case but it often is.

Many of the modern rock band style non-denominational Evangelical Churches I have attended start with a few songs by a pretty good country/rock style band, which may or may not be religiously themed. There will then be a 45 minute or hour long sermon. The whole thing might have a 30 second prayer at the end.

It is quite common for the pastor to finish his sermon and simply say, “Thanks for coming, praise God” and walk off the stage. What may happen after that, depending on the Church, is rock and roll style “Praise and worship”, very emotional and experice based, but prayer as Catholics know it - kneeling in adoration and conversation with God - is often not part of the worship experience. That is reserved for the individual’s “Quiet time” as part of his personal relationship with God.

-Tim-
Then what does one get out of going?
 
Prayer is not absent from these churches. It is perfectly possible to pray and worship God, even if the music is a little loud. That is what most people are doing, of course there are always people who go to church for the wrong reasons but these are in the minority.

Typically, the services are structured like so:
  1. Opening prayer/greeting,
  2. The musical portion, often called “praise and worship,” which is designed to glorify God and to prepare the hearts of the people for receiving God’s word,
  3. The collection possibly accompanied by music,
  4. Any special singing,
  5. Preaching
  6. The response (possibly in the form of an altar call)
Individual praise and prayer is offered during the praise and worship segment of the service and corporate prayer may be offered at several points in the service, such as at the beginning, before the offering is collected, before the pastor begins his sermon, after the pastor ends his sermon, and as the congregation is dismissed.

PS: I don’t know of any evangelical that believes that prayer is private and not corporate. I would say that there are evangelicals who do not emphasize corporate prayer as much as they do private prayer, but that does not mean they do not believe that prayer can be corporate.
 
Then what does one get out of going?
Above all else, an evangelical Protestant seeks a closer relationship with Jesus.

That’s why they go to church.

Here are some of the things that they get out of going to church.
  1. A CORPORATE experience. This is something that many Catholics seems to scoff at. So many Catholics on CAF shake their heads and claim that the Mass is not supposed to be “horizontal,” but vertical. Yes, of course, we receive Holy Communion as individuals, but we also receive corporately, as the Body of Christ. Evangelicals love being together, worshipping God together, SINGING together, praying together, and hearing the teaching from the Word of God TOGETHER. It’s so sweet to be with other Christians–I wish Catholics could get hold of that principle and stop being afraid of corporate worship. Catholics had it long before Protestants had it.
  2. Teaching from the Word of God. Evangelical Protestants believe that the Holy Spirit gives spiritual gifts (I Corinthians 12, Romans 12, Ephesians 5), and one of those gifts is the gift of teaching. It is a privilege to hear a good teacher open up the Scriptures.
  3. Beautiful music that encourages, exhorts, and lifts up the soul to the heavens. Music is something that I think Catholics have totally screwed up. I think that in the Catholic Church, the “M” word is not masturbation, but “Music”–it’s NEVER discussed in seminars and conferences, although you see plenty of sexual topics. I think that we’re all interpreting “liturgy” so narrowly that we reject many music styles and events that could be part of Mass. We’re all so afraid of sounding “Protestant” that we stick with safe, bland music. Chant is not a realistic option for most American parishes–sorry, buds. I wish that the Church could deal with this issue. I know that there are other serious issues, but I think that in the United States, music should be moved to the TOP of the agenda, because here, it is extremely important to most Americans. Think about the huge success of iPods–people here have to have their “tunes” with them at all times.
  4. An opportunity to serve God. People go to worship services to offer themselves to God. Some get involved with the music or ushering, while others offer their tithes and offerings, and some their worship (singing) and prayers. It is good to take a few hours and concentrate entirely on serving God and His people at church.
I can think of more things, but no time now. Must work.
 
PS: I don’t know of any evangelical that believes that prayer is private and not corporate. I would say that there are evangelicals who do not emphasize corporate prayer as much as they do private prayer, but that does not mean they do not believe that prayer can be corporate.
I agree.

There is usually a time for
  • pastoral prayer- where the pastor prays
  • spontaneous prayer that erupts from worshipping. By that I mean the church might sing a chorus then the people start to clap and cry out to God and break out into prayer
    – Also, there used to be a weeky prayer meeting where we just prayed and sang.
I attended this megachurch and sang in this choir for 6 years. Look how the people in the audience are praising God.

youtube.com/watch?v=4Gae-n0Pb7Q

youtube.com/watch?v=y284YvkYrZo

I wish people would understand that a lot of evangelicals are truly seeking God and not looking to hide out.

By the way, the thunderous applause after was always for the Glory of God.

Please pray that Evangelicals will come into the fullness of the church
 
That is a good point TrueLight. Growing up evangelical I never understood why other Christians criticized applauding in church. It is understood that the applause is for God alone, and we are encourage to obey Psalm 47:1 frequently, “Clap your hands, all peoples! Shout to God with loud songs of joy!”
 
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