Evangelicals Will Be Extinct Within Ten Years

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Stalin was also a madman. There’s no correlation between totalitarianism and atheism. This is a classic red herring used by Christian apologists.
Hitler was an atheist, Pol Pot was an atheist, Mao Ze Dung was an atheist, Lenin and Stalin were atheists, Napolean was an atheist, as were many if not all those participating in the massacres of the French revolution, and every other communist leader; actually some of the worst offenders in History were atheists and quite totalitarian.
 
Even the devil knows scripture.
Not only does the devil know scripture, it is credited to him for snatching it from the hearts of those who hear and might believe the Word of God:

“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe (plus nothing) and be saved.”
~Luke 8:11-12

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak."
~Ephesians 6:12-20
 
Hitler was an atheist, Pol Pot was an atheist, Mao Ze Dung was an atheist, Lenin and Stalin were atheists, Napolean was an atheist, as were many if not all those participating in the massacres of the French revolution, and every other communist leader; actually some of the worst offenders in History were atheists and quite totalitarian.
actually the data is pretty sketchy on Hitler … so I’m not sure atheist is quite an adequate term (although born again Christian is obviously an equally inappropriate for the gray matter between Hitlers ears).

Were the Spanish Inquisitors (Catholics) who burned Jews and Muslims at the stake (and killed them in all sorts of other interesting ways) any better? Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy are said to have been Christians.

You want to hear something funny. Get this … I did quick research to get a few names of evil Christians throughout history. Hitler seemed to top the list (although obviously anyone who believes this really doesn’t have a good grasp of WWII history … but anyways). Then some pin head said Christians aren’t evil, Hitler wasn’t Christian, I can’t believe how bigoted against Christians everyone is … and oh by the way Catholics are a non-Christian cult. Yes, he said all this in the same sentence, in fact in the same order (I’m constantly amazed at how many truly stupid people there are in the world). Anyway back on topic.

You can make a case that the wickedest men in history (at least post-Christian history) were not Christians. Does this necessarily serve as a compliment to Christianity? In the first instance it certainly doesn’t prove anything or lend any logical validity to your religion. It is a system after all that preaches love and harmony, so it’s no surprise that its members are less inclined toward hate and chaos. However, the average hippie back in the 60’s were equally inclined (culturally speaking) toward peace and love, and it produced the same result.

The point is none of this proves an invisible god exists or that any of the events of the bible actually happened. The only thing it proves is if you make love and peace a social standard it should be of no surprise that most people within that society, religion, community, church, denomination, etc. will be inclined toward love and peace. It’s simply nurture and psychology, not an invisible friend.
 
actually the data is pretty sketchy on Hitler … so I’m not sure atheist is quite an adequate term (although born again Christian is obviously an equally inappropriate for the gray matter between Hitlers ears).

Were the Spanish Inquisitors (Catholics) who burned Jews and Muslims at the stake (and killed them in all sorts of other interesting ways) any better? Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy are said to have been Christians.

You want to hear something funny. Get this … I did quick research to get a few names of evil Christians throughout history. Hitler seemed to top the list (although obviously anyone who believes this really doesn’t have a good grasp of WWII history … but anyways). Then some pin head said Christians aren’t evil, Hitler wasn’t Christian, I can’t believe how bigoted against Christians everyone is … and oh by the way Catholics are a non-Christian cult. Yes, he said all this in the same sentence, in fact in the same order (I’m constantly amazed at how many truly stupid people there are in the world). Anyway back on topic.

You can make a case that the wickedest men in history (at least post-Christian history) were not Christians. Does this necessarily serve as a compliment to Christianity? In the first instance it certainly doesn’t prove anything or lend any logical validity to your religion. It is a system after all that preaches love and harmony, so it’s no surprise that its members are less inclined toward hate and chaos. However, the average hippie back in the 60’s were equally inclined (culturally speaking) toward peace and love, and it produced the same result.

The point is none of this proves an invisible god exists or that any of the events of the bible actually happened. The only thing it proves is if you make love and peace a social standard it should be of no surprise that most people within that society, religion, community, church, denomination, etc. will be inclined toward love and peace. It’s simply nurture and psychology, not an invisible friend.
Point 1:

3 to 4 thousand people were killed in the Spanish Inquisition during a span of more than 350 years, 1% of this amount was tortured (this was all found to be true when during the 70’s the Spanish government opened its archives for the purposes of scholarly research). The Inquisition was not under the authority of the CC but of the Spanish Monarchy.

Point 2:

Hitler was an atheist, he had no love for religion, in fact, he wanted to kidnap and kill the Pope as well as destroy the CC. Thousands upon thousands of priests and religious were killed under Hitler. This was not a man who loved Christ/God, he was a megalomaniac. Although I suspect you already know this.

Point 3:

Anyone who claims they are Christian, and acts in a heinous manner is not Christian.

Point 4:

Christians have a credo they must follow, when they fail to follow that credo they deny Christ.

Point 5:

Yes, there are many stupid people, but we are all stupid at times.

Point 6:

I pray for stupid people all the time including yours truly (me).

Point 7:

I believe in God because He exists and because He has been a major factor in my life.

Point 8:

Invisible friends do not answer prayers, but God does.

God bless.
 
Point 1:

3 to 4 thousand people were killed in the Spanish Inquisition during a span of more than 350 years, 1% of this amount was tortured (this was all found to be true when during the 70’s the Spanish government opened its archives for the purposes of scholarly research). The Inquisition was not under the authority of the CC but of the Spanish Monarchy.
my point was they were Christians who did the killing right? In fact not only were they slaughtering Jews and Muslims, but even Protestants. Of course it wasn’t the CC itself but the Catholic monarchy of Spain (I’m not a student of the inquisition, but I wonder what the official church response was?).
Hitler was an atheist, he had no love for religion, in fact, he wanted to kidnap and kill the Pope as well as destroy the CC. Thousands upon thousands of priests and religious were killed under Hitler. This was not a man who loved Christ/God, he was a megalomaniac. Although I suspect you already know this.
I do agree Hitler overall was an atheist … although he made some comments that shed some doubt on his religious views (he tended to refer to divine providence quite a bit for some reason). At any rate Hitler cannot fairly be called a Christian in any sense.
Anyone who claims they are Christian, and acts in a heinous manner is not Christian.
didn’t Jesus die for the sinner? Sorry to cite the obvious, but your statement here seems counter to what your bible teaches. I do know supposedly the elect are mystically drawn toward holiness by god (of course I know that Christians slowly become better behaved because its simply learned behavior).

If god makes the sinner holy then why is that avoidance of sin follows the natural human process of learning, practicing, and eventually reversing old habits (that I might add anyone with a brain and a desire to change can accomplish without an invisible friend)?
Christians have a credo they must follow, when they fail to follow that credo they deny Christ.
I guess that sort of makes sense …after all the ten commandments are hardly that demanding (well I guess accept for the requirement of faith).
Yes, there are many stupid people, but we are all stupid at times.
sad but true
I pray for stupid people all the time including yours truly (me).
I just try to read more & make myself less stupid 😃
I believe in God because He exists and because He has been a major factor in my life.
I’m not really here to talk you out of it … so I’ll leave that one alone.
Invisible friends do not answer prayers, but God does.
God bless.
I feel like Michael Corlioni … you’re pulling me back in here. Now I have to ask … how exactly has god answered your prayers?
 
my point was they were Christians who did the killing right? In fact not only were they slaughtering Jews and Muslims, but even Protestants. Of course it wasn’t the CC itself but the Catholic monarchy of Spain (I’m not a student of the inquisition, but I wonder what the official church response was?).

Yes, the King and Queen were Christian, however, the Inquisition was more than likely necessary (the torture and killing wasn’t), in order to ascertain the loyalty of certain members known as conversos (people who converted to Christianity of Jewish and Moorish blood but only did so it was believed to infiltrate the court hierarchy). Remember the King and Queen had just won the whole Iberian peninsula from Moorish control (they had no choice to fight the Moors). Also, the bit about Protestants being slaughtered is incorrect. As for the Church’s stance, initially a bull was issued to allow an inquiry, but once the torture began the Church had changed its mind to support the Inquisition.

Here is an exerpt by Robert Lockwood’s article in Secrets of the Spanish Inquisition Revealed:

“But even at this early point in the history of the Spanish Inquisition, the papacy was having second thoughts. Pope Sixtus IV (1471-1484) complained about the activities of the inquisition in Aragon and its treatment of the conversos. But, as throughout much of Europe, the papacy had lost much control over the actions of local inquisitions. Pope Innocent VIII (1484-1492) complained fruitlessly as well. The inquisition in Spain was controlled by Spanish authorities, not the authority of the papacy.”
I do agree Hitler overall was an atheist … although he made some comments that shed some doubt on his religious views (he tended to refer to divine providence quite a bit for some reason). At any rate Hitler cannot fairly be called a Christian in any sense.
Well, it all began . . . actually every prayer I have prayed has been answered even the most insignificant ones, but the most important prayer he answered was given to me last year when I survived a deadly disease. I was on the verge of dying, and there was not much the doctors could do, I had a bacteria (same strain as the flesh eating bacteria) that got into the space between my lung and my veil, it became so severe that both my lungs were infected (it turned into pus) and got into my blood stream. By the time I got to the hospital my right lung had collapsed (I literally felt my life slipping away). I was operated on quickly but to no avail, I was on a respirator and in an induced coma. My parents were away on vacation. When they arrived they were told “that she is more there than here” My family (lots since I am of Italian background) held prayer vigils (rosary), my priest also came to give me my last rites, I survived due to my faith and the faith of others. I can not tell you how the sight of the crucifix on the wall in my hospital room kept me going. I was sick from the very beginning of lent and released a day before Easter. I was told I am an Easter miracle. My doctors have never seen a case like mine before, (apparently I hit the jackpot), but I was strong because of Jesus because of what he went through for me.
 
Would you be so kind as to share it with me.
Sure, but my story only shows the sovereignty of God, as no one said a prayer for me, including myself.

I had a “hot tooth” and was prescribed a strong antibiotic. After the course of treatment I got what I thought was the stomach flu. I don’t do doctors because of a bias I have about them, so I tuffed it out but it just kept hanging on and I became weaker and weaker due to the fluid loss. I was newly divorced, in a new town thousands of miles away from the nearest relative. The last night at home of the 5 or 6 week ordeal, I knew I was dying but I was too weak to even call my mom. The thought of being with Jesus, being “Home” was so sweet and peaceful - I was ready.

The Holy Spirit spoke to my mind and insisted I get to the hospital. Severely dehydrated, I was diagnosed with c. diff, the super bug found in hospitals, and caused by over use of antibiotics. It had done some nasty things to my colon I won’t go into detail with, only to say it’s healthy now. I went through 2 courses of antibiotics to rid the bacteria, and they both failed. Over that month, I lost 30 pounds. I was given what was described as the “last chance antibiotic” that if it didn’t work, they would have to remove my colon. LOL, all I remember is that it was $120 a pill and my insurance only paid for generics. Ahh, the things we worry about…

Well, it worked, praise God! It wasn’t my time to go, and He showed me why last year, so I’m here and healthy and the 40 pounds I had gained when I quit smoking years ago and couldn’t get rid of a pound no matter how little I ate and hated those pounds every time I looked in the mirror…well those are all gone now. God is Good!

An estimated 15,000 people die of c. diff in the US each year. I’m blessed that I did not become a statistic and that God had another plan because my relationship with Him has grown so in the the last four years and I would have missed that.

Everyone -before taking any prescribed antibiotic, ask your doctor or dentist if it is absolutely necessary. My “hot tooth” is still extremely sensitive to cold even today. I doubt it would have abscessed.
 
Sure, but my story only shows the sovereignty of God, as no one said a prayer for me, including myself.

I had a “hot tooth” and was prescribed a strong antibiotic. After the course of treatment I got what I thought was the stomach flu. I don’t do doctors because of a bias I have about them, so I tuffed it out but it just kept hanging on and I became weaker and weaker due to the fluid loss. I was newly divorced, in a new town thousands of miles away from the nearest relative. The last night at home of the 5 or 6 week ordeal, I knew I was dying but I was too weak to even call my mom. The thought of being with Jesus, being “Home” was so sweet and peaceful - I was ready.

The Holy Spirit spoke to my mind and insisted I get to the hospital. Severely dehydrated, I was diagnosed with c. diff, the super bug found in hospitals, and caused by over use of antibiotics. It had done some nasty things to my colon I won’t go into detail with, only to say it’s healthy now. I went through 2 courses of antibiotics to rid the bacteria, and they both failed. Over that month, I lost 30 pounds. I was given what was described as the “last chance antibiotic” that if it didn’t work, they would have to remove my colon. LOL, all I remember is that it was $120 a pill and my insurance only paid for generics. Ahh, the things we worry about…

Well, it worked, praise God! It wasn’t my time to go, and He showed me why last year, so I’m here and healthy and the 40 pounds I had gained when I quit smoking years ago and couldn’t get rid of a pound no matter how little I ate and hated those pounds every time I looked in the mirror…well those are all gone now. God is Good!

An estimated 15,000 people die of c. diff in the US each year. I’m blessed that I did not become a statistic and that God had another plan because my relationship with Him has grown so in the the last four years and I would have missed that.

Everyone -before taking any prescribed antibiotic, ask your doctor or dentist if it is absolutely necessary. My “hot tooth” is still extremely sensitive to cold even today. I doubt it would have abscessed.
Thanks for your story, and my advice to everyone is: if you ever have strept throat with a fever go to a clinic or a hospital to check it out.
 
This is my story about prayer:

I owned some apartments in Galveston and the stairs needed replacing. I envisioned nice wrought iron stairs, and finally found ones I could afford in a demolition sale of apartments in another city. I got a crew together to get them off the old buildings (four sets), but the morning of the big day, only the contractor showed. The crew was waiting in Galveston for a ride, so she had to go back to get them, leaving me there by myself.

There were 10 buildings with stairs, and I got to take my pick of the best ones, so I was walking around checking them all out. I wasn’t afraid of being there alone because no one was there, no cars, no sign of anyone staying in the rooms. I did see rats, but stayed out of their way.

So I find one set of stairs I know I want, and think that it would save time if I started loosening the bolts on each stair that held the concrete step. The first wouldn’t budge, so I went lower on a step so I could put my weight behind it. I’ve hurt myself a lot working on my apartments, and sensed how alone I was, and said a prayer out loud that God please protect me and keep me safe. Dummy me, I wasn’t pulling on the ratchet, I was pushing it, really putting my back and shoulder into it, when the ratchet slipped and the screw sticking out from the bolt went through my hand as if I had punched the screw with my fist.

I grabbed my purse and started for the Jeep. As I passed the vagrant walking toward me, I was yelling at God “I ASKED you to protect me!”, blood gushing from my hand, all over my white t-shirt and leaving a trail behind me.

Oh! I was so mad! I drove out of there kicking up gravel and glass, and realized I had no idea where I was going. Calming down, I managed to find a directory and then an emergency clinic. It wasn’t until that night that I remembered the look on that vagrant’s face, and realized that God had answered my prayer. God got me out of there FAST. I have no doubt that the man was up to no good, and I had nothing but a ratchet to protect myself.

Today, I have a one inch scar on my right hand in the shape of a “V”. I call it victorious. My God is Victorious. He is faithful to answer our prayers.🙂
 
Always I asked you if Love had anything to do with our Salvation, You said Yes by the love of the Father Jesus sent his son.

Now let me ask you the question again, Do we have to love one another as the Father has loved us to be saved? Or can we hate our brother and still have eternal life with Christ?
Hi Always I still haven’t got a response from you on this yet. Thought maybe you missed it so I posted it again, Thanks.😃
 
Just read a huge article from the Christian Science Monitor that Evangelicals will be gone within 10 years due to the fact they are too much into their Megachurches, and they don’t teach the truth from the Word of God.
What do you think about the Montior as a source of spiritual truth? Do you put a lot of weight in it?
 
I have a lot of trouble understanding how anyone can think Hitler was a Christian, considering that he obviously didn’t recognize a power or authority above himself (definition of atheism) and verbally expressed belief in Odin, Thor, Valhalla, reincarnation and other pagan ideas (definiton of paganism) as well as engaging in Hindu and Tibetan Buddhist activities and seeking wisdom from those sources (definition of dabbling in eastern religions) and practiced astrology (which ties it all together to make him a modern western New Ager), and persecuted Christian leaders who refused to modify their teachings to be less Christian (definition of an anti-Christian). These data seem to me to make him a thoroughly anti-Christian New Age atheist, looking for whatever he could in every tradition and belief system in the world to increase his own power and get rid of those who believed in God, so that he would have no rival. I and others have sometimes been accused of committing the True Scotsman Fallacy by pointing this out, but it has nothing to do with the True Scotsman Fallacy. Those who call Hitler a Christian are committing the Circular Argument Fallacy, as far as I can see.
 
I would rather you got some wings. And a halo. 😃
how about I just keep wearing my jeans and t-shirt (and a suit during business hours)?😃

I’m not really a hat guy (but if I were I would choose neither horns or a halo, it would probably look pretty absurd).
 
I have a lot of trouble understanding how anyone can think Hitler was a Christian
Hitler was no Christian (even though he made statements pertaining to divine providence). Hitler was a madman, and a sociopath (though I guess the latter is encompassed within the former … I had to add it in for kick).

It’s not to say there’s not some Christian megalomaniacs, however, they’re usually not Catholic (I know you guys will love that one). The CC really doesn’t lend itself to having too much of an individual identity. It’s pretty much a conformists religion. Whereas protestants will just up and start their own church if they don’t like how things are. I’m speaking mostly of unorganized protestants (and not so much the more organized and well established protestant churches). Moreover, televangelists are usually individuals with huge ego’s (and a healthy dose of greed to boot).

If ancient mythology is your cup of tea, might as well be Catholic or Episcopalian (or perhaps Lutheran). At least they have good choirs, excellent liturgy, and the priest or pastors aren’t too loud (especially useful if you had a good time on Saturday night). If you don’t have much of a taste for gay people, be Catholic (as you won’t find many gay people in a Catholic church … if you do you know they’re a real psychological basket case). If you can tolerate gay people, maybe Episcopalian (especially if you don’t like your wife, since they’re much easier about divorce).

If you’re really a self masochist you could go the conservative Presbyterian route. They will give you straight up unadulterated scriptural Christianity (what a drag). Basically they’re the world hating types, sort of like first century Christians (but not very apocalyptic). If you enjoy paranoid religion, there’s the good old Baptist types (who also include evangelicals, Pentecostals, etc.). They’re hoping the world ends tomorrow and we become embroiled in a global war against the Muslims in support of Israel (a fairly psychotic world view).

Religion 101 (or should I say Christianity 101)

I personally highly recommend sleeping in on Sunday morning, and grabbing a late brunch (and then perhaps going to see a good show or movie, followed up by a nice outdoor cafe with great wine). That’s just me though … (being a heathen and all :D)
 
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