Evangelicals with gay children challenging church

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BrassAnkles said:
*“The Church needs to lovingly say to this person: ‘This is not who you are. Acting on same-sex inclinations is never going to bring you to a place where you can have a right relationship with God. In fact, if you go this way, you are heading down a destructive path. The good news is we love you, we are going to be patient with you. If you fall a thousand times, we will still be there for you.’” *
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I have had several private discussions with the pastor and I am presently working on an internet project (no pay) for the sisters and have not been reminded about any destructive path.
 
frobert said:
I have had several private discussions with the pastor and I am presently working on an internet project (no pay) for the sisters and have not been reminded about any destructive path.
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The person who said that homosexual will lead one to a “destructive path” is an ex homosexual who lived that life for 35 years but has been healed completely of homosexual desires by Jesus Christ.
 
BrassAnkles said:
The person who said that homosexual will lead one to a “destructive path” is an ex homosexual who lived that life for 35 years but has been healed completely of homosexual desires by Jesus Christ.
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I celebrate that your faith has healed you of your homosexual desires.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
Is two men hugging in a normal way as opposed to the stupid, awkward looking “I’m totally not gay” hug really deserving of condemnation?
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You just don’t want to get it Joie de Vivre! You want to dance around this subject.
 
kozlosap said:
You can advocate for Pastoral Education until Elvis leaves the building, but the pastors that I’m acquainted with have been ministering to their flocks for many years and would probably laugh at the idea that need help in understanding what is acceptable and what isn’t. All Catholics and non-Catholics are welcome at their parishes, and no one asks who is straight or gay, nor do they appear to care, everyone works together to help “the least of us”. I would not be so quick to predict that the Church will never recognize CIVIL MARRIAGE.
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The Church has always recognized CIVIL MARRIAGE.
 
clem456 said:
It’s seldom the best course of action to embrace that which simply makes me feel good about myself.
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Wow.

Double wow.

I think we just found a quotation for my signature. This is one of the most profound spiritual insights I’ve ever heard, boiled down into a reasonably short sentence. Thanks, Clem!
 
To the rest of all y’all in this thread:

Asking the question of “whether the Church welcomes gay people” is almost mind-numbingly vague. There are all sorts of scope questions: what do we mean by “the Church”? What do we mean by “welcome”? What do we mean by “gay”?

Try this: is everyone in every Catholic church kind? No. Should they be? Yes.

Is everyone in every Catholic church accepting of the fact that some people are romantically attracted to people of the same sex? No. Should they be? Yes.

Does everyone in every Catholic church believe that same-sex romantic/sexual relationships are spiritually unhelpful to those involved in them? No. Should they? Yes.

An authentic welcome can only be based on truth. It begins with the truth, and surrounds the truth in love. An authentically welcoming person never ignores a person who makes them uncomfortable. The person who comes alongside the leper, the outcast, the homosexual, the prostitute – this is the person who is being Christlike!

When we come alongside someone, we cannot fail to see ourselves in them. This is grace, people! But it begins by lowering ourselves.

When the King comes in power and asks, “What did you do for the least of my people?” will you respond “I repeatedly told them the truth, in no uncertain terms, but they didn’t listen”? Or will you say, “I ate with them, drank with them, prayed with them, mourned with them, and laid down my life for them”?

My third cousin is a lesbian, and I never got to know her because of that; everyone in my family was a bit “weird” relating to her. At a recent family reunion, she pretty much adopted my rascally 5-year-old, and took care of him much of the time. I talked with her afterward about life. She talked about my family, and my five kids, and she said, “You need to understand that you are just very blessed.”

I’m not easily moved to tears, but she came awfully close right there. When I see her with my Father’s eyes, she is a princess, a prize, a diamond. Her Father wants her in His house, and He will be ruthless with anyone who stands in her way.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
I’m not easily moved to tears, but she came awfully close right there. When I see her with my Father’s eyes, she is a princess, a prize, a diamond. Her Father wants her in His house, and He will be ruthless with anyone who stands in her way.
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Fair enough. But the challenge comes when the lady wishes to be in his house, partner in arm, holding firm to the view that her sexual relationship is just fine. Unlike the married couple who contracept (say), the mere presence of the lesbian couple makes this statement publicly.
 
Rau said:
Fair enough. But the challenge comes when the lady wishes to be in his house, partner in arm, holding firm to the view that her sexual relationship is just fine. Unlike the married couple who contracept (say), the mere presence of the lesbian couple makes this statement publicly.
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Don’t you think that is up to the father of what is acceptable in his house? How would it be any different if the daughter’s partner were a male?
 
We, those who follow Christ and His example, must not be lead by sexual desires whether we are gay, straight, or even married. We must master self control and for those married, respect for one another. We are set apart from the animal world because we can do exactly that, that is to have self control. It’s not simplistic or even easy at times. But for Christ and our humanity we will be more than willing to try.
 
Rau said:
Fair enough. But the challenge comes when the lady wishes to be in his house, partner in arm, holding firm to the view that her sexual relationship is just fine. Unlike the married couple who contracept (say), the mere presence of the lesbian couple makes this statement publicly.
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I’m not sure.

I’m close friends with a bunch of brothers from a celibate brotherhood that dresses in ordinary clothes. They are affectionate with each other, go everywhere together, and so on. Years ago, someone gave them peace in church and said, “I just want to let you know that I’m supportive of all you gay people are doing”, or some such thing.

If they could be so easily mistaken for gay, then how accurate can we expect ordinary parishioners to be about whether a couple of lesbians are sexually active? It is POSSIBLE to be public about these things, in a way that produces scandal. But someone like my cousin would never do that.

Are people going to be scandalized by her going to church with another woman? If so, that’s their problem, no? It’s not her problem.
 
WilT said:
We, those who follow Christ and His example, must not be lead by sexual desires whether we are gay, straight, or even married. We must master self control and for those married, respect for one another. We are set apart from the animal world because we can do exactly that, that is to have self control. It’s not simplistic or even easy at times. But for Christ and our humanity we will be more than willing to try.
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👍👍👍
 
Prodigal_Son said:
I’m not sure.

I’m close friends with a bunch of brothers from a celibate brotherhood that dresses in ordinary clothes. They are affectionate with each other, go everywhere together, and so on. Years ago, someone gave them peace in church and said, “I just want to let you know that I’m supportive of all you gay people are doing”, or some such thing.

If they could be so easily mistaken for gay, then how accurate can we expect ordinary parishioners to be about whether a couple of lesbians are sexually active? It is POSSIBLE to be public about these things, in a way that produces scandal. But someone like my cousin would never do that.

Are people going to be scandalized by her going to church with another woman? If so, that’s their problem, no? It’s not her problem.
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If they show affection that is normally shown between spouses than yes this is scandalous and wrong.
 
BrassAnkles said:
If they show affection that is normally shown between spouses than yes this is scandalous and wrong.
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What kind of affection is normally shown between heterosexual spouses in public that would be wrong and scandalous for same-sex couples?
 
BrassAnkles said:
If they show affection that is normally shown between spouses than yes this is scandalous and wrong.
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What kind of romantic affection do spouses normally show in church? Are you talking hugs or kisses at the sign of peace, or what?
 
BrassAnkles said:
With all due respect a child would know the difference. 🙂
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I held hands briefly with my partner in my church yesterday when we were sitting next to each other in the pews. I guess that that would be scandalous in a Catholic Church, but in mine, no one paid any attention. 😃
 
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