Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds

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NEW YORK - More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike, have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were more chaste in the past.“This is reality-check research,” said the study’s author, Lawrence Finer. “Premarital sex is normal behavior for the vast majority of Americans, and has been for decades.”
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This does not surprise me very much. Will people lay off my generation now…
 
chicago said:
Appentently not. Or maybe only 1 in 10 will!
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I’d love to know where they got the sample from. It may be, as in Alfred Kinsey’s studies, that people who HAVE had an interesting sexual past are exponentially more likely to want to talk about it in a survey, and therefore the results are biased.
 
LilyM said:
I’d love to know where they got the sample from. It may be, as in Alfred Kinsey’s studies, that people who HAVE had an interesting sexual past are exponentially more likely to want to talk about it in a survey, and therefore the results are biased.
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You mean they’ll lay it on, lay into it, lay it all out there?
 
Seriously, what’s your point? :ehh: So people have been Sinning since the beginning of time, Does it make it “right” because Grandma and Grandpa did the deed before marriage?
 
I saw this in today’s paper… What’s up with “Even Grandma…” - obviously “Grandpa” did also. Why is it only the women who get singled out? We are ALL called to obedience in this area… not just women.

Just pet peeve of mine.

Here’s what all that premarital sex gets you:

.QUICK FACTS ON SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES (STD’S)

· 56,000,000 people in the U.S. are infected with an STD (does not include HIV/AIDS) – 14,000,000 (25%) are teenagers
· 1:5 have a sexual disease
· 1:4 will contact an STD in their lifetime
· 12,000,000 diagnosed annually – 3,000,000 are teenagers
· 33,000 new cases every day in the U.S.
· 35-50 different kinds of STD’s have been identified
· Syphilis rate is at a 40-year high
· Cancer linked to some STD’s
· Some gonorrhea strains now resistant to penicillin (Adapted from: Safe Sex, by Joe S. McIlhaney, Jr., M.D., 1993; Education Reporter, April 1993; and National Institute of Health, Internet, 1996)
 
Why does this surprise people? Sexual urges are hardwired into us. People didn’t have premarital sex as much in the day when they got married younger and also when parents controled the movements of young ladies with chaparones and other means.
 
Not the least bit surprising for me and that’s why I don’t question the research. My own grandparents had to get married in the 40s due to a pregnancy from pre-maritial sex and they lived in a very Catholic country, in fact as the story goes, the local priest had to force my grandfather to go to the courthouse where my grandmother’s father was waiting for him to own up to what he did. But then they went on to over 60 years of marriage so alls well that ends well!
 
“This is reality-check research,” said the study’s author, Lawrence Finer. “Premarital sex is normal behavior for the vast majority of Americans, and has been for decades.”Finer is a research director at the Guttmacher Institute,
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I notice the institute the researcher is affliated with and I am not surprised at all.

I, also, am interested in the wording used here. Frequency equals normal? Where does such logic lead?
 
fix said:
I notice the institute the researcher is affliated with and I am not surprised at all.

I, also, am interested in the wording used here. Frequency equals normal? Where does such logic lead?
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Even if they want to call it “normal” that doesn’t make it right.

People with AIDS frequently die in Africa. I guess one could say it is normal. But that doesn’t make it right.
 
carol_marie said:
Even if they want to call it “normal” that doesn’t make it right…
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Let me just start by saying I do not agree with pre-marital sex. However, I wonder if from a biological standpoint we come into our sexuality during our teens because that is when we were meant to enter into marriages and then produce children. With today’s society putting a priority on education and careers before marriage, are we going counter to what is biologically natural. Many people do not get married now until their late 20s and I can’t imagine what their sexual urges must be like if they are being chaste. Of course it’s commendable if they can remain chaste. As people get older and older before marriage are they faced with a burden of abstinence that no other generation has ever faced? I have no knowledge in this area so I may be completely out to lunch.
 
I hope all those who are insisting on “abstinence only” safe sex programs, will now wake up and face reality. We need a realistic approach to safe sex education in this country. Condom use is an absolutely necessary part of any sensible safe sex approach. It’s about time that our federal government focuses policies on scientific reality, rather than be driven by the convictions of religious morality. Hopefully, a new congress in 2007 will change that.
 
nydas said:
I hope all those who are insisting on “abstinence only” safe sex programs, will now wake up and face reality. We need a realistic approach to safe sex education in this country. Condom use is an absolutely necessary part of any sensible safe sex approach. It’s about time that our federal government focuses policies on scientific reality, rather than be driven by the convictions of religious morality. Hopefully, a new congress in 2007 will change that.
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Do you think suggesting latex is a helpful solution to the moral decay we experience today? Not only does such advice imperil one’s soul, but it leads to all sorts of temporal problems that we experience right now today.
 
nydas said:
I hope all those who are insisting on “abstinence only” safe sex programs, will now wake up and face reality. We need a realistic approach to safe sex education in this country. Condom use is an absolutely necessary part of any sensible safe sex approach. It’s about time that our federal government focuses policies on scientific reality, rather than be driven by the convictions of religious morality. Hopefully, a new congress in 2007 will change that.
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You are absolutely wrong. Chastity is possible and with grace probable. People are not just animals and if treated with dignity can rise up to that dignity. If people insist that they cannot act chastely then we follow through by insulting them and degrading them by shoving condoms at them and then we have the gall to act surprised when they fulfill the expectations we set for them.

Do Not Sin.
Evil, using your body as a toy, is never okay. Never. Giving people bits of rubber to rub themselves against is wrong, dehumanizing and degrading. Sorry to put it in such an ugly way, but call it what it is: mutual selfish masturbation that erodes the capacity for self giving in each of us and erodes our ability to not see each other as “toys” for our satisfaction.
 
nydas said:
I hope all those who are insisting on “abstinence only” safe sex programs, will now wake up and face reality. We need a realistic approach to safe sex education in this country. Condom use is an absolutely necessary part of any sensible safe sex approach. It’s about time that our federal government focuses policies on scientific reality, rather than be driven by the convictions of religious morality. Hopefully, a new congress in 2007 will change that.
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While I think you are correct, you won’t much support for that view on this forum (except for me 😃 ). Believe me, I’ve tried.
 
T1Catholic said:
Let me just start by saying I do not agree with pre-marital sex. However, I wonder if from a biological standpoint we come into our sexuality during our teens because that is when we were meant to enter into marriages and then produce children. With today’s society putting a priority on education and careers before marriage, are we going counter to what is biologically natural. Many people do not get married now until their late 20s and I can’t imagine what their sexual urges must be like if they are being chaste. Of course it’s commendable if they can remain chaste. As people get older and older before marriage are they faced with a burden of abstinence that no other generation has ever faced? I have no knowledge in this area so I may be completely out to lunch.
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I think the point is all passions need to be controlled by our intellect and will. That biology ebbs and flows does not mean those “urges” control us. That would seem to diminish our understanding of human dignity. By that I mean we are, in fact, humans not lower animals.
 
MichaelTDoyle said:
You are absolutely wrong. Chastity is possible and with grace probable. People are not just animals and if treated with dignity can rise up to that dignity. If people insist that they cannot act chastely then we follow through by insulting them and degrading them by shoving condoms at them and then we have the gall to act surprised when they fulfill the expectations we set for them.

Do Not Sin.
Evil, using your body as a toy, is never okay. Never. Giving people bits of rubber to rub themselves against is wrong, dehumanizing and degrading. Sorry to put it in such an ugly way, but call it what it is: mutual selfish masturbation that erodes the capacity for self giving in each of us and erodes our ability to not see each other as “toys” for our satisfaction.
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In theory you are correct, but hello? In reality, it’s obviously not working. Certainly abstainance should continue to be encouraged, but reality has dictated another approach needs to be tried. AIDS, STDs, out of wedlock pregnancies, abortions, are all up. Condom use and other non-abortion causing birth control needs to be offered as alternatives. Sometimes you need to pick the lessor of 2 evils.
 
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