Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds

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jmcrae said:
Some kids will also use illegal drugs, drink and drive, and other things they shouldn’t do, too, but in these other cases, we don’t go around acting like it’s inevitable - we treat them as if they can learn to know better, and learn to do the right thing.

I don’t know why it’s different with sex. I don’t think it has to be - I think we can tell kids the truth and expect them to behave themselves in this area of life, just the same as we expect it in other areas of life.
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Those other items are illegal. Premarital sex is not illegal. It is immoral according to one code of moral conduct. And not all children in a public school are going to ascribe to that code of moral conduct. Also sex ed is not only about what a 16 year old is going to do tonight but about what that 16 year old will do when she’s in her 20’s. Attitudes she learns in sex ed (such as use protection against both STD and pregnancy every time) will hopefully stay with her through her 20s when surveys indicate the bulk of the unmarried women will be or have been sexually active.
 
There is no such things as safe sex. There is no condom for the broken heart. The reality is that female physically bonds with sex. When she has sexual relations she creates Oxytocin, the same chemical that is released during labor and delivery.

Why do you think so many young girls are depressed? Why do you think young men are so dishonorable to women? Women have been lied to. There are some heavy consequences to sexual freedom.

As a society care about evey aspect of her health, but not the fact that pre-marital sex leads to depression even eating disorders and cutting! Normalizing pre-marital sex doesn’t make this depression go away. They won’t teach you that in sex education.

Sure there was probably plenty of premarital sex, but more likely then not these couples had some form of courtship and were in the plans for marriage through out the course of history or even atleast in cultures that didn’t have formal marriage ceremonies there was a clear open commitment of a couple.

Now people are trying to claim sex is merely recreational… hooking up and one night stands.

Abstaining until committed monogamy is the only answer.
 
I guess I just have to say, it’s easier SAID then DONE. I’m sure when most of you were teens, you didn’t obey all of God’s rules. But I respect everyone’s opinions.
 
Actress101 said:
I guess I just have to say, it’s easier SAID then DONE. I’m sure when most of you were teens, you didn’t obey all of God’s rules. But I respect everyone’s opinions.
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I didn’t obey God’s rules because no one bothered to educate me though, people just said do what you feel like. It can be easily DONE, and I’m angry that it is so fearful for people to SAY the truth in fear of being judgmental. People sin, but do people who sin have to lead their young to sin to normalize their behavior? That doesn’t solve the problem.

You’re right more likely then not my own children will be sexual active, but that doesn’t mean I can intervene and reinforce my knowledge of sexuality and how wonderful sex is in marriage. If my children falter, just like anything else I will be there for them with the guidance and support they need.

Sex is great. As Catholic we don’t hate sex. We just understand the natural consequences of sex, which are very emotional, easility taken advantage of, and do include the possibility of children. My husband and I are living role models of what marital sex can be like. It can be DONE and I will SAY it out loud with act of love though not necesscarly words. .
 
Actress101 said:
I guess I just have to say, it’s easier SAID then DONE. I’m sure when most of you were teens, you didn’t obey all of God’s rules. But I respect everyone’s opinions.
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If it’s never said, it’ll never be done.

This way, we at least save some of them, instead of none of them. 😉
 
Actress101 said:
I guess I just have to say, it’s easier SAID then DONE. I’m sure when most of you were teens, you didn’t obey all of God’s rules. But I respect everyone’s opinions.
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I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to, but one of your earlier posts suggests that you’re a teenager yourself, and this posts suggests that you’re trying to excuse your being a teenager to not obey all of God’s rules. I sure hope I was wrong.
 
jmcrae said:
Some kids will also use illegal drugs, drink and drive, and other things they shouldn’t do, too, but in these other cases, we don’t go around acting like it’s inevitable - we treat them as if they can learn to know better, and learn to do the right thing.

I don’t know why it’s different with sex. I don’t think it has to be - I think we can tell kids the truth and expect them to behave themselves in this area of life, just the same as we expect it in other areas of life.
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Well-put. I never like it when people pull the well-they’re-going-to-do-it-anyway card. Using that kind of reasoning, why don’t we start teaching the public, “Well, it’s okay to steal as long as you don’t get caught”?
 
Hello to all,

I was wondering if anyone knew of any factual data or links related to this particular Guttmacher study. When I read the original report on the 20th, I wrote a letter to the local paper expressing my skepticism about the study (espcially given AGI’s background), and pointing out that chastity was still the better way to go. I have now been challenged by a reply letter, and would like, if possible, to directly refute the study with some hard data. Are there any professional critiques of this study that anyone knows of?

I strongly believe that this study will be eventually exposed as exaggerated and biased. While most young people nowadays, sadly, are not chaste, 95% is (IMO) exaggerated. The implication is, of course, that chastity is impractical and that we should “get our heads out of the sand.” What they really want is for everyone to forget the failure of the sexual revolution. “Reality” arguments are a backup; the arguments always start out as promises for self-fulfillment and pleasure.

God Bless,
Joan
 
Not my Grandparents although they were staunch Catholics. That is the problem with this Survey (notice survey not study so it does not have propper scienific weight) it does not take in to account mini systems. It does not count or realize that geography, religion or other factors could really change the numbers by millions of people depending on where it is surveyed at. Every generation has a majority who choose to live a non Christian life. This article is more of a justification for sin becasue it is the popular thing to do. If it was done again with proper scientific means the numbers would be quite diffrent i bet. A large hole in the data could be that the WWII generation may have been more prone to premartial sex becasue of the war effort. This is just one of many reasons that this survey would have to be done with more alot more generations to be crediable. Even so it is not a really a solid topic becasue who really wants to be truthfull about it?
 
Actress101 said:
I guess I just have to say, it’s easier SAID then DONE. I’m sure when most of you were teens, you didn’t obey all of God’s rules. But I respect everyone’s opinions.
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I would like to say that yes, as with most things, it is easier said than done…does that mean we should give up? NO! 🙂

One of the biggest problems with the “safe sex” education is the attitude it instills. As awful as it would be to have contracted an STD or get pregnant (which both prevented me from having pre-marital sex…although I don’t have the purest past), I would much rather have to suffer the consequences of my actions. I don’t say this lightly either. I’m the result of a teen pregnancy and my dear sister contracted an STD thanks to decisions to have pre-marital sex mixed with a cheating boyfriend. If you say, “Here’s a condom, the Pill, etc. to keep you from getting pregnant” than a pro-death attitude comes automatically. The girl (and guy) then think of pregnancy as a bad thing, something that isn’t right, instead of it just being the natural consequence of the act they took part in. This attitude makes them want to “get rid” of the problem since they entered into sex thinking that they shouldn’t be suffering any negative consequences to begin with. This attitude makes abortion an even better-looking decision and then a baby dies because the parents didn’t think they should have to deal with the consequences of an action they fully consented to.

Chastity education may not “save” everyone from sexual activity in life, but it’s the beginning, the core of getting to that point. We can’t just throw it out the window just because there are a few casualties. At least those that choose to be sexually active have been taught what is right, instead of being treated like they have no brains and “will do it anyway.” Nothing happens overnight, so we can’t just give up while fighting one of the biggest fights against Satan. Christopher West, I believe, mentioned that Satan distorts what is most beautiful. With this thought, I’d be even MORE willing to fight the good fight, instead of just giving into the disordered, ugly, cheap lie that he invented to try to keep us away from God and heaven. 🙂
 
Dear Lotus (and Luke),

You are so right. That’s why I’m concerned about refuting the 95 % statistic, at least in my local paper. It seems to imply that fornication is “inevitable” human behavior, which is very demeaning and untrue.

I can’t claim to know what the real statistic is for the rate of non-marital sex among Americans. I do know that many cultures and sub-cultures have existed in the past, and do still exist, where non-marital sex is strongly outside the norm, and fairly rare. And in other cultures (past and present) infidelity and promiscuity are basically universal. So in other words, it’s our choice.

God Bless,
Joan
 
Just because lots of people commit a sin doesn’t make it not a sin. I’d like to take a survey to see how many people have told a lie at some point in their life…I bet it is close to 100%–and those who claim to not have will probably be lying!

If anything, these surveys just prove man’s fallen nature (as if all the other messes of the world didn’t already prove it).
 
Maybe it’s just coincidence. After reading through this thread, I happened on a book review in First Things, of a book by Dawn Eden: The Thrill of the Chaste: Finding Fulfillment While Keeping your Clothes On

An excerpt: “Today, as the fruits of the sexual revolution prove to be loneliness, divorce, and disease, chastity’s not only back—it’s the new revolution. So out, it’s in.”

Or, just go here and sing along.
 
I wonder if many chaste-living people would have responded to the survey?
If you were to survey customers of an abortion or family planning clinic, then you are bound to find a high percentage of pre-marital/non-marital sex.
 
Hi Apricot,

This is one of the points I made in my newspaper letter, for which I was taken to task. While I doubt that even Guttmacher would have gone into a family planning clinic for such a survey, I suspect they know their trade well enough to survey in the “right” places to get their results. And the problem with more “permissive” people being more interesting in participating seems to me to be a huge one. But what I need is a professional critique to back me up.
apricot_yogurt said:
I wonder if many chaste-living people would have responded to the survey?
If you were to survey customers of an abortion or family planning clinic, then you are bound to find a high percentage of pre-marital/non-marital sex.
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mlchance said:
No one respects everyone’s opinions.

– Mark L. Chance.
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I know. it’s just that if i say otherwise, i’ll get proved wrong anyway. but all my posts were just in my opinion about pre-marital sex.
 
mlchance said:
No one respects everyone’s opinions.

– Mark L. Chance.
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While I may not agree with your opinion, I respect everyone’s right to have an opinion.

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
--Voltaire
 
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