Ever get a "tired of liberal Church" M.Angelica moment?

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How many of us have had one of those moments when you just get fed up with something that (we believe) is just not Catholic within the Catholic Church?

Raymond Arroyo’s Mother Angelica book describes her frustration with World Youth Day in '93 when she glared into the camera, “I’m so tired of you, liberal Church in America.”

We might not be on television or have experienced the same liturgical abuse as Mother did that evening; but, we probably just go with the flow until something just hits us the wrong way.

Or maybe all the little things finally add up to a moment when exasperation is our only response.

How do you handle it?

Ignore it?
Mention it to the person?
Complain to your spouse?
Shrug your shoulders thinking, "Well, he’s got the PhD in Theology, what do I know?

I personally get tired of priests referring to God as him/her in their homilies or writings.

What gets under *your * skin?
 
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scriabin:
How many of us have had one of those moments when you just get fed up with something that (we believe) is just not Catholic within the Catholic Church?

Raymond Arroyo’s Mother Angelica book describes her frustration with World Youth Day in '93 when she glared into the camera, “I’m so tired of you, liberal Church in America.”

We might not be on television or have experienced the same liturgical abuse as Mother did that evening; but, we probably just go with the flow until something just hits us the wrong way.

Or maybe all the little things finally add up to a moment when exasperation is our only response.

How do you handle it?

Ignore it?
Mention it to the person?
Complain to your spouse?
Shrug your shoulders thinking, "Well, he’s got the PhD in Theology, what do I know?

I personally get tired of priests referring to God as him/her in their homilies or writings.

What gets under *your * skin?
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The Pax Christi movement…of which I think our priest is involved :eek:
 
Well, I more or less gave up a long time ago. I drive a half-hour into the city every Sunday to attend a parish that’s at least relatively orthodox, although the music is still that godawful 1970’s warm-fuzzy feelgood hippie folk trash.

But after years of frustration with the stupidity, the heterodoxy, the silliness, the liturgical experimentation, and the dissent, I have reached the conclusion that there is no hope for the American Catholic Church in my lifetime. There are a lot of kids coming up in the Church that are going to change things for the better, but the results of that won’t be seen until I am long dead and gone. As long as we have bishops who are members of the Pepsi Generation (“Feelin’ free, feelin’ free!”) in charge, there is no chance of change.

So, I just go to Mass every Sunday, grit my teeth and drink the liturgical vinegar I’m offered in place of wine, and wait for my release from this world.
 
I am constantly finding myself this way.
I have been disgruntled for some time now and yes I have written to some Priests involved and have been met with ridicule and ignorance.

I offer it to god now cause i kinda think if I’m upset at it what is the Lord’s hear like? now, I offer it to Him, apologise to him and make an act of contrition. I also use the opportunity to remind myself of my own sinful nature and of how I continuously offend the Lord in many other ways.

Nothing that it done in the church out of love of self will escape the Lord’s attention. We will all have to answer to Him.
 
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scriabin:
How do you handle it?

Ignore it?
Mention it to the person?
Complain to your spouse?
Shrug your shoulders thinking, "Well, he’s got the PhD in Theology, what do I know?

I personally get tired of priests referring to God as him/her in their homilies or writings.
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All of the above and Pray, Pray, Pray

May God bless and protect us,
JLC
 
Yes. Especially the ‘inclusive’ language that was forced by liberal feminists in the 60s, 70s. That is one of the worst things that could have happened in our society, but especially in the Mass.
 
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Ace86:
Yes. Especially the ‘inclusive’ language that was forced by liberal feminists in the 60s, 70s. That is one of the worst things that could have happened in our society, but especially in the Mass.
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Well, the big problem with that is that they didn’t take it far enough.

I mean the whole concept behind that is that it’s “offensive” to women to always hear God being referred to in exclusively male terms.

But hasn’t anyone ever stopped to consider how offensive it is to men to always hear the devil being referred to in exclusively male terms?

I mean, come on! If we’re gonna be inclusive, then let’s be inclusive!

We all know about Satan…she is the Mother of Lies, the Princess of the Power of the Air, the Old Dragoness, seeking whom she may devour. And all her demonesses are always working to corrupt mankind with screwy ideas.

And the devil’s name, after all, is Lucifer----“Lucy” for short.

I think it fits her, don’t you? She needs a quick, easy moniker to refer to her by.
 
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Wolseley:
And the devil’s name, after all, is Lucifer----“Lucy” for short.

I think it fits her, don’t you? She needs a quick, easy moniker to refer to her by.
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I hear she’s a b**** too. :eek:
 
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Wolseley:
Well, the big problem with that is that they didn’t take it far enough.

I mean the whole concept behind that is that it’s “offensive” to women to always hear God being referred to in exclusively male terms.

But hasn’t anyone ever stopped to consider how offensive it is to men to always hear the devil being referred to in exclusively male terms?

I mean, come on! If we’re gonna be inclusive, then let’s be inclusive!

We all know about Satan…she is the Mother of Lies, the Princess of the Power of the Air, the Old Dragoness, seeking whom she may devour. And all her demonesses are always working to corrupt mankind with screwy ideas.

And the devil’s name, after all, is Lucifer----“Lucy” for short.

I think it fits her, don’t you? She needs a quick, easy moniker to refer to her by.
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Funny that you mentioned that. I’ve never thought of it that way.

Then again, the Book of Revelation comes to mind.
 
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scriabin:
How many of us have had one of those moments when you just get fed up with something that (we believe) is just not Catholic within the Catholic Church?

Raymond Arroyo’s Mother Angelica book describes her frustration with World Youth Day in '93 when she glared into the camera, “I’m so tired of you, liberal Church in America.”?
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It never ceases to amaze me when I need to read something on this issue but don’t want to post. I do not like you liberal Church. I love the Catholic faith and would die for it, but the political church, Cardinal’s, Priests, Bishops! Man they wear on me. I decided to make extra sacrifices for the Church and all of it’s leaders.
This is not a subject that you can discuss much because everyone wants to pound the Church any way so you have to always be careful not to cause any more scandal for the Church.
So thank you for posting it I needed that one today!
How does a religion teacher go to the priest and say Father I hate the Church? But now that I have read it I am glad I can post and get this off my chest.
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scriabin:
We might not be on television or have experienced the same liturgical abuse as Mother did that evening; but, we probably just go with the flow until something just hits us the wrong way.

Or maybe all the little things finally add up to a moment when exasperation is our only response.
I personally get tired of priests referring to God as him/her in their homilies or writings.

What gets under *your *skin?/
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I think that is it I am just exasperated with the Church when the liberals go after my Exposition, the Bishop’s put junk in the newspaper, and these liberal priests and nun’s go marching onto a military base picketing, when the organist controls the Mass on Sundays. Wow could I go off on this one. Sorry just needed to vent.
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scriabin:
How do you handle it?

Ignore it?
Mention it to the person?
Complain to your spouse?
Shrug your shoulders thinking, "Well, he’s got the PhD in Theology, what do I know?
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I wrote to my Sister the Nun for advice and prayed about it at my holy hour today. I have not heard back from my sister but Jesus said pray, pray, pray and make many sacrifices. The same thing Mary said to the children. We have to continue to march forward like Saint Paul and all the rest before us. Imagine the people years ago that had to live through all of this. And the Saints go marchin on…
KEEP THE FAITH!
 
Yes, I get VERY tired of the nonsense. I am tired of rarely hearing of our Precious Lord. We seem to be worshipping ourselves. We have no personal sin and if we are baptised and come to Mass, we have it made. Prayer and holiness are foreign in the modern church for we are already ‘holy’. So many of the songs are SO terrible. They are not hymns. I do not want to hear of father’s vacation or hear his jokes or his elvis impersonation at Mass. I do not think t here was clapping and entertainment at the foot of the cross. Of course, now we have a table and not an altar. I just witness a rare Mass with the bishop in town, lots of laughing and clapping–isn’t Mass fun? Our large parish has no waiting to speak of for confessions with one priest for 45 minutes on a Saturday.

I changed to the lesser ‘american catholic’ church in town last year for I was continually interiorly upset. The priests woud not show up for morning daily Mass. As coordinator of adoration hours I was totally rebuked; this --Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament–is NOT a focus at that parish, I can assure you. But there are more parties. Sometimes at the same time as adoration and right next door. No priest, deacon or sister come to adoration for , as one said to me, “we don’t do that kind of thing anymore”. Indeed they don’t.

But last week I had to return to the old parish because of a priest’s vacation, a chnage in Mass times and my work schedule.
The deacon preached and he preached heretically. I had to wait a day to cool off and I called him. We had an amicable discussion. He would not tell me the source of his information for his homily but in it he denied that Our Lord cast out demons or worked an exorcism. He said we could believe in demonic possession or not but the man in scripture was mentally ill is all and so on and so forth, he said.

I promised Our Lord to confront heresy. And I do not enjoy confrontation any more than anyone so I avoid the old parish and one particularly heretical priest. So when I heard the tripe against the Scripture from the deacon, I called my confessor who did what I thought which was let me off the hook. He said to let it go. But I also contacted a faithful Franciscan friar who is no wimp and he told me I must say something. I must live my own confirmation and consecration after all.

I LONG for holy and reverent Masses! If there was a legitimate Latin Mass in my diocese, I would probably go. I would love to hear true teachings! I would like to hear of Jesus and Mary. I would like my children to hear true teachings from the pulpit.

My diocese promotes something they call ‘peace and justice’ and that means bringing in dissident speakers and picketing government offices and junk like that. Preaching the faith would be a nice change of pace.

Ave Maria!
 
Ave Maria!:
I changed to the lesser ‘american catholic’ church in town last year for I was continually interiorly upset.
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I’m sorry, What is an American Catholic church?
 
Pick your battles. If I tried fighting all of them I’d go :banghead:
And, yes, pray & fast.
Then find something by Father Corapi or Father Pacwa or Father Groeschel to watch or listen to, just to get the old heart rate down.
But we can never give up. Read Ezekiel 3 and 33.
Good luck!
 
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Wolseley:
Well, I more or less gave up a long time ago. I drive a half-hour into the city every Sunday to attend a parish that’s at least relatively orthodox, although the music is still that godawful 1970’s warm-fuzzy feelgood hippie folk trash.

But after years of frustration with the stupidity, the heterodoxy, the silliness, the liturgical experimentation, and the dissent, I have reached the conclusion that there is no hope for the American Catholic Church in my lifetime. There are a lot of kids coming up in the Church that are going to change things for the better, but the results of that won’t be seen until I am long dead and gone. As long as we have bishops who are members of the Pepsi Generation (“Feelin’ free, feelin’ free!”) in charge, there is no chance of change.

So, I just go to Mass every Sunday, grit my teeth and drink the liturgical vinegar I’m offered in place of wine, and wait for my release from this world.
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Near the shores of Gitchee Goomee? I’m right down the road from you ! I’ve been here for a few years and am still surprised by the liberalness of this archdiocese.

When I see/hear things I like, I send a note to our priest (positive reinforcement usually works better than complaining). The best thing that any more “orthodox” Catholic can do is get involved and voice your opinion…professionally and respectfully - pointing out what’s wrong with the liberal stuff. A logical compelling argument, tactfully made, can carry a lot of weight. Just be prepared to make it several times before people “get it”.
 
I am new coming into the Church, and fortunately for me, I landed in an orthodox parish. My conversion was in large part due to orthodox teachers, such as Fr. Corapi, and Fr. Groeschel…If I would have ended up in a liberal church, my conversion wouldn’t be happening.

Don’t give up. The young people are rejecting the liberals. The new converts are not buying into the liberals. Eventually, they will be outnumbered. The Holy Spirit will turn things around. His timing always seem sooooo slow to us. If you read Church history, sometimes it took centuries for revival to happen, but it always did!

Othodox Catholics need to rise up in spirit, pray and never stop persevering! 🙂

God Bless,
Jeanette
 
I am so sorry to hear that your diocese are so liberal. I have been blessed with a faithful Bishop and a faithful parish priest to assist me in my return to the truth. However, each summer, when the pastor goes home to Ireland for vacation, we have a couple of older college professor priests who fill in. They are definitely of the Liberal bent and it takes a lot of prayer on my part to get through their visit without blowing up.

I think if they were to use the inclusive language during the Mass, I’d have to speak up.

I have gone to them in advance with my daughter, asking for a dispensation for her missing Mass while she was at camp, and was told that certainly she was dispensed, but that “we don’t need that anymore”. When I pointed out that it’s still in Canon Law, I was rebuked for being legalist. 😦

It’s especially frustrating to me to have this stuff going on when I’m trying to raise a faithful daughter to believe in the fullness of the truth offered by the Catholic Church.

God Bless you as you have to deal with this without break. It leaves me fearful as I face the potential of moving and don’t know how faithful the priests in my new parish will be or if I’ll be able to get to daily Mass, as I’ve done for the past several years.

God Bless,

CARose
 
Indeed, those who live by the Silly Seventies of the Last Century are a perishing breed of old dinosaur.

Welcome to the new generation of the faithful, not enslaved to the failed ideas of the past, but moving forward with The Church in the New Millenium, with tried and true ideas which really work.
 
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