I just realized late last night I forgot Oral Tradition but I did include the teachings of the Holy Father.I dare say youre correct. However, just add “constant teaching of the Magisterium” to the Holy Father, but then again, you had Sacred Tradition down
I was there for years since I also was a revert. I am bouncing now because of the things going on in the Church today. But after listening to Father Ricardo’s talk on the Mass this morning I have a better attitude. I totally understand, because its like how can I condemn something I love so much. Look for the beauty in the gospel and the consecration no matter what Church you have to attend. I am having a tough time because I used to have an excuse to drive all the way to St. Cyril and Methodius but now that my daughter is here with the grandchildren I know longer can drive to meet her to give her the kids. So I have been searching as well. But luckily I can listen on my computer to Father Ricardo and have some great cd’s of Father Basil Nortz and Father Coropi and tapes of Father Maciel Marcial these wonderful priests keep me balanced. The Church is much different than those earlier years.
Not so sure about this…
Your claim is BOGUS. I hate how people pass on this urban legend garbage.
By all means, then, present your proof that it is not correct. For now, I understand that it is correct based on what I’ve read:
Just follow the Church, not your own ego. It blows me away that the “preeners” believe they can disregard the Church when it comes to posture of receiving Holy Communion (we are instructed to stand/bow in the Latin Rite in the USA), yet are arrogant enough to judge the “liberals.”Its funny how the Desert Fathers saw what Satan looked like, burned, ugly and no knees. Infact, the dear Card Ratzinger once said, if you can’t kneel to God you are sick…He explores the notion of kneeling for the Eucharist in his “Spirit of the Liturgy”.
The need to kneel for communion is one of example. Showing others the true reverence with which one should receive one’s creator, in a world where people pop Jesus into their mouth as if he was but a cookie…Maybe one day, when the schools start enforcing pre-Communion confession, when Johnny “I’m a Pagan” isn’t allowed into the communion line, when drops of the Precious blood don’t stain the carpet because of carelessness, mayhaps then we kneelers will no longer have to kneel…But even then, it would be a devotion safeguarded by the Apostolic See.
The Vatican safeguards the right to kneel, communion may not be denied to one who kneels licitly.
Finally, what is your idea of “orthodox”? Did you realise sir, that Vatican II actually states that Latin be safeguarded, as the language of the Church? I love my brothers and sisters in the Church, left, right, middle all of youHowever the middle guys annoy me slightly more than the lefties. Atleast with the lefties you know what they’re gonna say. The middle guys however have this kind of work it out as you go feel. They’re neither hot nor cold…so to speak. A middle guy will one minute teach orthodox doctrine, and then the next be playing hard down rock music in the sacrifice of the Mass. Despite the fact that the treatise of how we pray is how we believe, and that rock music is pretty darn secular…
Maybe you shouldn’t so openly criticize people’s faith which is in the end the opinion of a mere acolyte. Or atleast term it so its not so offensive to anyone who reads. Especially since you’re stereotyping what YOU think is orthodox.
You’re passing-on garbage…
I’m honestly not sure why it troubles you so that this statement about communion in the hand is attributed to Mother Teresa. I would also like to know if it is incorrect. But it doesn’t seem to have been disproved, and it is a quote from Fr. Rutler’s Good Friday homily in 1989. I understand it is available on the St. Agnes Cassettes. Fr. Rutler is still active at another parish in NYC and is well known for his Good Friday homilies; he also appears on EWTN. He has been associated with the Missionaries of Charities for some time as a retreat master and has published at least 14 books. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to doubt it. (That doesn’t mean that communion in the hand isn’t permitted; we know that it is.)
I don’t see it this way at all. Lots of people are neither liberal “play fast and loose with the Mass” folks nor are they the ones who want to turn back the clock to a pre-Vatican II Mass. I don’t like adjectives added to the word “Catholic” (I usually say I’m a Catholic of the Latin Rite), but I’m one of those (at the ancient age of 44) who was greatly influenced by John Paul II, our Holy Father for a quarter of the century. I find I’m disliked by both the liberals and the “more Catholic than the pope” types. I don’t think that makes me lukewarm. It may just mean I’m not extreme. My motto is “You can fall out of the boat to the left or to the right, but you’ve still fallen out of the boat.”Finally, what is your idea of “orthodox”? Did you realise sir, that Vatican II actually states that Latin be safeguarded, as the language of the Church? I love my brothers and sisters in the Church, left, right, middle all of you
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Actually, kneeling is used in some countries, and it is safeguarded by the Apostolic See (ya heard me, thats why a Priest aint allowed to deny communion to kneelers).
I love the Novus, its a really great liturgy (when its done right ie incense, organ, chant, bells, cassocks…). Its the one that lead me to Christ. I just get really ticked when people attack the old liturgy (for any reason whatsoever) or people that prefer the Old Liturgy. I mean if it worked for St Francis…
I don’t much care one way or the other, BUT there’s a rigidity here that I think we could talk about. Fundamentally, does it matter? Don’t start down the road of how it will lead to clown masses and lesbian EMHC’s, just address how important it is:
You’re quote appears above. Here’s the same thing with some changes and it expresses how I feel:
Who’s attacking you? I’m not
Now, Twistedseraph, you’re being coy! Archbishop Lefebreve? The SSPX? Altarman wasn’t off when he was talking about heterodox on the left and the right.
I realize that. And by your definition, I’M ACTUALLY A RIGHT WINGER!!! My grandfather will be so pleased.Who’s attacking you? I’m not
Yup. I say however that those that feel that they’re more orthodox than the pope, well they’ve gone over to the dark side. Thats not to say I’d mind if the Church changed back to strictly tridentine, that’s up to the Holy Spirit. I just don’t like how some “traditionalists” divide the Church with their constant aggressiveness.
I meant that I knew personally. The SSPX are left wing.