Ever hear of John MacArthur? He is a particularly hostile Protestant.

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The best way to maximize attraction is to manipulate people’s emotions and strike at their fears and lack of understanding, much like the Palestinian leadership manipulating their citizens’ views of Israel. Confidence and bravado, such as demonstrated by MacArthur, are a great allure to those with vulnerable and insecure dispositions. I would hazard to guess that most of the Catholics he has conned were not sophisticated or confident in their knowledge of Catholicism.

Bullies such as Macarthur use the Bible (of which they owe the Bible’s existence to the Catholic Church) as a coercive instrument to hammer in their own truths. I am reminded that even Satan quoted scripture: Matthew 4:6. And said to him: If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written: That he hath given his angels charge over thee, and in their hands shall they bear thee up, lest perhaps thou dash thy foot against a stone.

I am not saying MacArthur is Satan, but I am implying that not everyone who quotes Scripture has pure motives. After all, Macarthur has to put butts in the pews so that coins enter his coffers.
 
👍 A friend of mine, Gary Michuta, wrote a great book in response to the Catholic attacks by John MacArthur called “The Gospel According to John MacArthur”. It addresses many of his attacks on Catholicism point-by-point and refutes them. I think it might be available here on the website.

Prior to converting I grew up going to a non-denominational denomination 😉 that taught the usual misinformation about the Catholic Church. I was very surprised to learn the truth of the faith and praise God for nearly three years in his Church!
 
A friend of mine, Gary Michuta, wrote a good book that takes on many of John MacArthur’s attacks on the Church called “The Gospel According to John MacArthur”. He does a great job addressing many of John’s misrepresentations of the Catholic Church. I think its for sale on Catholic.com.
 
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A friend of mine, Gary Michuta, wrote a great book in response to the Catholic attacks by John MacArthur called “The Gospel According to John MacArthur”. It addresses many of his attacks on Catholicism point-by-point and refutes them. I think it might be available here on the website.
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You have misstated the title of your friend’s book.

The title is The Gospel According to James McCarthy, not John MacArthur.

Wouldn’t want a bunch of people on the forum searching for something they’ll never find. 😉
 
For me, a red flag goes up when ANYONE says so-in-so is not “saved”. Reason #215 I’m glad to be Catholic. Final judgement and salvation is left up to Christ where it rightly belongs!

Honestly I’ve never heard of the guy so it would be unfair for me to say anything about him. Not real impressed by his apologists in here though…for what that’s worth. 😉
 
sandusky said:
You have misstated the title of your friend’s book.

The title is The Gospel According to James McCarthy, not John MacArthur.

Wouldn’t want a bunch of people on the forum searching for something they’ll never find. 😉
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aahhh but I did find something on that. 😉 😃 LOL But it’s Protestant anyway. But this protestant does not agree with MacArthur but for different reasons of course.

Here’s what I found on “The Gospel According to John MacArthur.”
 
sandusky said:
You have misstated the title of your friend’s book.

The title is The Gospel According to James McCarthy, not John MacArthur.

Wouldn’t want a bunch of people on the forum searching for something they’ll never find. 😉
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:nope: I didn’t find any book with that title. I only found “The Gospel According to Rome” by J. McCarthy. I found many sites that talk about “the gospel according to James McCarthy,” but I did not find a book by him with that title.
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sandusky:
I have never denied that John MacArthur has many critics.
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You just said that it would be something we’ll never find. You did not specify as to what it was that we wouldn’t find. I did find something with that title though so you can’t say that it is something we will never find.

This is so petty. :rolleyes:
 
AlegreFe said:
:nope: I didn’t find any book with that title. I only found “The Gospel According to Rome” by J. McCarthy. I found many sites that talk about “the gospel according to James McCarthy,” but I did not find a book by him with that title.

You just said that it would be something we’ll never find. You did not specify as to what it was that we wouldn’t find. I did find something with that title though so you can’t say that it is something we will never find.

This is so petty. :rolleyes:
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There are others, but this is a Catholic site for you
 
sandusky said:
Will you tell me what is so troubling to you about MacArthur’s statement concerning the Blood?
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Do you find this posting on the blog site of Phillip Johnson, who is the executive Director of his “Grace to You” ministry, not troubling for Mr. MacArthur?
Who is Phillip R. Johnson?
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Today Phil is the executive Director of Grace to You, a Christian tape and radio ministry featuring the preaching ministry of John MacArthur. Phil has been closely associated with John MacArthur since 1981 and edits most of MacArthur’s major books.
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Phil’s blog, PyroManiac, set several fires around the blogosphere for about six months in 2005 before Phil himself burnt out and started a gangblog, PyroManiacs, which as of this writing is still going strong.
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spurgeon.org/~phil/bio.htm

From the Blog site – PyroManiac – of Phillip R. Johnson:
10 June 2005
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Pedophile Priest Payouts Pass $1 Billion
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The Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington, Ky last week created a $120 million fund to compensate victims of priestly sex abuse. With that settlement, payouts to sex victims of Roman Catholic priests over the past three years alone passed the billion-dollar mark.
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No other religious institution ever has spent so much money to indemnify such widespread debauchery perpetrated by so many of its own officials. Yet this is the one major church in Christendom that has explicitly declared herself “irreformable.”
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Think about it.
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Start with the pretense of papal infallibility; forbid everyone in the core hierarchy of the church to marry; embrace a notion of “spirituality” with the most superstitious form of sacramental externalism at its core; and demand that all your members blindly and reverently accept the authority of the church’s earthly leaders no matter what—and what kind of result would you expect?
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So why is it that so many Protestants have chosen this moment in history to seek ecumenical relationships with Rome?
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phillipjohnson.blogspot.com/2005/06/pedophile-priest-payouts-pass-1.html

Does the anti-Catholic bias get any more blatant than this?Let’s not pretend that John Mac Arthur is not anti-Catholic, and that he associates himself with the most base Catholic-basing folks.
 
OK, let’s get our anti-Catholics straight. 😃

First, there is John F. MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church, clearly ignorant of Church history, but decent expositor of Scripture from an anti-Catholic evangelical perspective. Author of The Gospel According to the Apostles (Nelson, 2005). I have listened to him for a long time. He appeared on Ankerberg in 1995 with R.C. Sproul and D. James Kennedy denouncing the "ECT" documents.

Then there is John G. McCarthy, author of The Gospel According to Rome, an anti-Catholic book (and others). The weird thing is the forward of that book is indeed by John F. MacArthur, a completely different anti-Catholic. 😃 :whacky:

Then there is Philip R. Johnson, who is MacArthur’s (not McCarthy’s) right hand man. He was prominent on the Internet in the old days (I remember him on the 1996 James White sola scriptura list for example). He also has a “Hall of Church history” and is obsessed with 19th century baptist preacher Spurgeon.

Then we have Phillip E. Johnson, who is a retired evangelical lawyer from Berkeley who has written many anti-evolution books (the first being Darwin on Trial).

Gary Michuta wrote a book titled The Gospel According to McCarthy in response to John G. McCarthy’s book The Gospel According to Rome.

OK, now we are either really confused OR we now have the players straight…

So in summary, we have MacArthur who wrote The Gospel According to the Apostles but not The Gospel According to Rome. We have McCarthy who wrote The Gospel According to Rome but not The Gospel According to the Apostles. And we have a Michuta who wrote The Gospel According to McCarthy, not The Gospel According to MacArthur, Rome, or the Apostles. And of course we have one Phil Johnson but not the other Phil Johnson who wrote the Gospel According to Darwin. 😃 :whacky:

Phil P
 
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setter:
Do you find this posting on the blog site of Phillip Johnson, who is the executive Director of his “Grace to You” ministry, not troubling for Mr. MacArthur?
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Why should I find that troubling for MacArthur, setter?

Setter quotes Phil Johnson:
10 June 2005
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Pedophile Priest Payouts Pass $1 Billion
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The Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington, Ky last week created a $120 million fund to compensate victims of priestly sex abuse. With that settlement, payouts to sex victims of Roman Catholic priests over the past three years alone passed the billion-dollar mark.
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No other religious institution ever has spent so much money to indemnify such widespread debauchery perpetrated by so many of its own officials. Yet this is the one major church in Christendom that has explicitly declared herself “irreformable.”
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Is Johnson making that up, setter?

Setter further quotes Phil Johnson:
Start with the pretense of papal infallibility; forbid everyone in the core hierarchy of the church to marry; embrace a notion of “spirituality” with the most superstitious form of sacramental externalism at its core; and demand that all your members blindly and reverently accept the authority of the church’s earthly leaders no matter what—and what kind of result would you expect?
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Perhaps you don’t like Phil’s tone, and his conclusion, but papal infallibility caused problems for the Church long before MacArthur and Johnson came along, you don’t deny that do you? Do you deny that the core hierarchy of the church is forbidden to marry? I am certain that you would deny that sacramentalism is external, but I find it to be so, and have said that on this forum; certainly you don’t deny that you must follow the teachings of the Magisterium, do you?

If you don’t like what Phil said, contact him; you have his blog address.
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setter:
Does the anti-Catholic bias get any more blatant than this?Let’s not pretend that John Mac Arthur is not anti-Catholic, and that he associates himself with the most base Catholic-basing folks.
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MacArthur is a critic of the Catholic church; so am I; I have never denied that.

My initial point on this thread was debunking the lies of Fidelis directed at the person of MacArthur. Criticize his, and Johnson’s positions concerning the church all you want, many people do that, and I read most of them.

But when you state lies about the person, and the church—as Fidelis did—I will correct you.
 
sandusky said:
I have never denied that John MacArthur has many critics.
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**Would you say that he is the sort of person who would be open to being told that his idea of Catholicism is based on dodgy foundations ? **​

**I’m not suggesting for one second that he is not both sincere & honest - but sincerity & honesty, essential though they are to worship “in spirit and in truth” don’t guarantee accuracy. **

**It’s not the fact of his opposition to Catholicism that is the problem (ISTM), so much as the reasons given: because the Mass & the Catholic priesthood really are not built upon the rotten foundations he (like so many others) supposes. And ISTM that Christians - Catholic, Protestant, whatever - ought to be only too glad to find that the forms of Christianity they criticise are not as rotten as they suppose. **

Is there a way in which Catholics can disarm the suspicions many Protestants have of us ? I think suspicion that “Rome” is putting on a pretty face to deceive the unwary is more powerful, & more pervasive, than the explicit reasons given for opposing “Rome”. (Obviously there is Catholic hostility to Protestantism too - but Macarthur is not a Catholic anti-Protestant :))

IOW - what would it take for anti-Catholics to accept that someone can be:
  • 1. Catholic
  • 2. sane, rational, intelligent
  • 3. sincere & truthful
  • 4. able to believe Catholic teaching
    **Such Catholics do exist, in plenty - but they seem to be the ones who don’t get read 😦 . IOW - one does not need to be stupid, irrational, ignorant, insincere or dishonest to be Catholic. One can believe it with the eyes of one’s mind being wide open; & without being a dupe. **
We cannot prove we are not “judicially blinded” as per 2 Thessalonians 2; but since no human being can prove this, Catholic or not, we have to take one another’s form of Christian faith & discipleship seriously, even though we ourselves don’t accept it. ##
 
PhilVaz said:
OK, let’s get our anti-Catholics straight. 😃

First, there is John F. MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church, clearly ignorant of Church history, but decent expositor of Scripture from an anti-Catholic evangelical perspective. Author of The Gospel According to the Apostles (Nelson, 2005). I have listened to him for a long time. He appeared on Ankerberg in 1995 with R.C. Sproul and D. James Kennedy denouncing the "ECT" documents.

Then there is John G. McCarthy, author of The Gospel According to Rome, an anti-Catholic book (and others). The weird thing is the forward of that book is indeed by John F. MacArthur, a completely different anti-Catholic. 😃 :whacky:

Then there is Philip R. Johnson, who is MacArthur’s (not McCarthy’s) right hand man. He was prominent on the Internet in the old days (I remember him on the 1996 James White sola scriptura list for example). He also has a “Hall of Church history” and is obsessed with 19th century baptist preacher Spurgeon.

Then we have Phillip E. Johnson, who is a retired evangelical lawyer from Berkeley who has written many anti-evolution books (the first being Darwin on Trial).

Gary Michuta wrote a book titled The Gospel According to McCarthy in response to John G. McCarthy’s book The Gospel According to Rome.

OK, now we are either really confused OR we now have the players straight…

So in summary, we have MacArthur who wrote The Gospel According to the Apostles but not The Gospel According to Rome. We have McCarthy who wrote The Gospel According to Rome but not The Gospel According to the Apostles. And we have a Michuta who wrote The Gospel According to McCarthy, not The Gospel According to MacArthur, Rome, or the Apostles. And of course we have one Phil Johnson but not the other Phil Johnson who wrote the Gospel According to Darwin. 😃 :whacky:

Phil P
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It’s James G. McCarthy, Phil.
 
PhilVaz said:
OK, let’s get our anti-Catholics straight. 😃

First, there is John F. MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church, clearly ignorant of Church history, but decent expositor of Scripture from an anti-Catholic evangelical perspective. Author of The Gospel According to the Apostles (Nelson, 2005). I have listened to him for a long time. He appeared on Ankerberg in 1995 with R.C. Sproul and D. James Kennedy denouncing the "ECT" documents.

Then there is John G. McCarthy, author of The Gospel According to Rome, an anti-Catholic book (and others). The weird thing is the forward of that book is indeed by John F. MacArthur, a completely different anti-Catholic. 😃 :whacky:

Then there is Philip R. Johnson, who is MacArthur’s (not McCarthy’s) right hand man. He was prominent on the Internet in the old days (I remember him on the 1996 James White sola scriptura list for example). He also has a “Hall of Church history” and is obsessed with 19th century baptist preacher Spurgeon.

Then we have Phillip E. Johnson, who is a retired evangelical lawyer from Berkeley who has written many anti-evolution books (the first being Darwin on Trial).

Gary Michuta wrote a book titled The Gospel According to McCarthy in response to John G. McCarthy’s book The Gospel According to Rome.

OK, now we are either really confused OR we now have the players straight…

So in summary, we have MacArthur who wrote The Gospel According to the Apostles but not The Gospel According to Rome. We have McCarthy who wrote The Gospel According to Rome but not The Gospel According to the Apostles. And we have a Michuta who wrote The Gospel According to McCarthy, not The Gospel According to MacArthur, Rome, or the Apostles. And of course we have one Phil Johnson but not the other Phil Johnson who wrote the Gospel According to Darwin. 😃 :whacky:

Phil P
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and that would be Phil P from Catholic Answers forums, and not Phil E from Pennsylvania, right

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…So in summary, we have MacArthur who wrote The Gospel According to the Apostles but not The Gospel According to Rome. We have McCarthy who wrote The Gospel According to Rome but not The Gospel According to the Apostles. And we have a Michuta who wrote The Gospel According to McCarthy, not The Gospel According to MacArthur, Rome, or the Apostles. And of course we have one Phil Johnson but not the other Phil Johnson who wrote the Gospel According to Darwin.

Phil P
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and that would be Phil P from Catholic Answers forums, and not Phil E from Pennsylvania, right

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Neither which should be confused with either of the aforementioned Phil Johnsons! :yup::nope: :banghead::whacky:
 
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