Ever Just Get Tired Of Debating Topics Here?

[zab]

Didn’t this exchange, :coffeeread: for the most part, justify the OP’s point?

It didn’t have to end like it started out.

But I see it is picking up again

 

[Gregory_I]

I don’t think it would be a real problem if people just excercised greater patience and thought with their head, and not their snap reactions. Just an observation.

 

[CarlosBarrera]

I’m tired of people responding with “See ‘tired’ thread.”

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

I don’t think it would be a real problem if people just excercised greater patience and thought with their head, and not their snap reactions. Just an observation.

Let go of your attachment to being right, and suddenly your mind is more open. You’re able to benefit from the unique viewpoints of others, without being crippled by your own judgment. -Ralph Marston

Good advice for all of us

 

[JReducation]

Let go of your attachment to being right, and suddenly your mind is more open. You’re able to benefit from the unique viewpoints of others, without being crippled by your own judgment. -Ralph Marston

Good advice for all of us

This reminds me of sermons that St. Bonaventure wrote about St. Francis of Assisi. In all of is sermons on the Seraphic Father, Bonaventure always concludes that the reason that Francis became the Mirror of Perfection was because he discovered Lady Poverty.

Bonaventure describes Lady Poverty the way that Ralph Martson does. It’s that ability to accept that one is the lowest of all creatures, the greatest of all sinners, the most ignorant of men, and the most blessed, because despite all of this, God loves us. Once the soul experiences this love, nothing else matters.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[The_Reginator]

I happened to be thinking about this thread at work today. (Hey, I was on break, OK?)
There have been times in the past when I’ve wanted to start a thread, and probably did, simply in order to start a fresh discussion rather than reading and old thread.

If you don’t like seeing an old topic being rehashed, why bother even looking at it?
Please, stay .

The thing I have no patience for is when people start nitpicking at each others arguments without really adding anything to the discussion.

Dominus vobiscum, Reg.

 

[JReducation]

My problem, if it can be called a problem, is that people don’t want to let go of something. By that I mean, simply accept that you can’t make others do what you want them to do. No matter how many threads you start on certain subjects, you’re going to get the same people agreeing and disagreeing with you. That’s why I don’t open threads on certain topics, because I know the answers.

I think we just need to accept that not everyone is going to agree on COTT and CITH, the EF and OF, the SSPX and just move one. After a while, if you keep bringing it up, the forum becomes boring.

I would be really nice to have threads on Traditional Catholic Spirituality. I mean, discussions on the masters of Catholic Spirituality: Augustine, Bernard, Benedict, Basil, Francis of Assisi, Francis de Sales, Teresa, Catherine, and maybe some of the Fathers. These men and women were master theologians on the spiritual life and they wrote on a variety of topics.

We can have a thread on Benedict’s love for stability, Bernard’s love of Mary, Francis of Assisi’s unquestioning obedience, Basil’s asceticism, Teresa’s contemplative prayer and so forth.

Catholic traditionalist is broader than the liturgy. There is so much more and we seem to repeat threads on liturgy, communion, the SSPX and this bishop or that parish.

I don’t know, I would like to see discussions on the classics in Catholicism. I just wish that I could impress upon other posters how interesting and how helpful this area is to us. This was my doctorate in theology and I must say that it was the fastest five-years of my life. I couldn’t get enough of this stuff. I would spend hours in the library going over copies of ancient manuscripts on subjects such as the anatomy of the soul, the power of grace, the nature of man, the difference between knowing and knowledge, and much more. The great religious families and their theologies are incredible. Most lay people only know Aquinas. Aquinas was The Bomb. However, believe it or not, he’s not the best spiritual theologian in Church history. That title really belongs to Bernard. It was Bernard who developed the theology of prayer found in the rules of Basil and Benedict. The beauty is tha there is so much in Traditional Catholic Spirituality that is not contraversial. You can have a discussion without an argument. I remember that the only arguments that we ever had in Rome was over the gender of a word in Latin, German or Spanish or over the possible meanings to the Dark Night of the Soul.

OK, I’m waking up. I guess not too many people are interested in discussing this stuff. It’s so good to dream.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Oneofthewomen]

My problem, if it can be called a problem, is that people don’t want to let go of something. By that I mean, simply accept that you can’t make others do what you want them to do. No matter how many threads you start on certain subjects, you’re going to get the same people agreeing and disagreeing with you. That’s why I don’t open threads on certain topics, because I know the answers.

I think we just need to accept that not everyone is going to agree on COTT and CITH, the EF and OF, the SSPX and just move one. After a while, if you keep bringing it up, the forum becomes boring.

I would be really nice to have threads on Traditional Catholic Spirituality. I mean, discussions on the masters of Catholic Spirituality: Augustine, Bernard, Benedict, Basil, Francis of Assisi, Francis de Sales, Teresa, Catherine, and maybe some of the Fathers. These men and women were master theologians on the spiritual life and they wrote on a variety of topics.

We can have a thread on Benedict’s love for stability, Bernard’s love of Mary, Francis of Assisi’s unquestioning obedience, Basil’s asceticism, Teresa’s contemplative prayer and so forth.

Catholic traditionalist is broader than the liturgy. There is so much more and we seem to repeat threads on liturgy, communion, the SSPX and this bishop or that parish.

I don’t know, I would like to see discussions on the classics in Catholicism. I just wish that I could impress upon other posters how interesting and how helpful this area is to us. This was my doctorate in theology and I must say that it was the fastest five-years of my life. I couldn’t get enough of this stuff. I would spend hours in the library going over copies of ancient manuscripts on subjects such as the anatomy of the soul, the power of grace, the nature of man, the difference between knowing and knowledge, and much more. The great religious families and their theologies are incredible. Most lay people only know Aquinas. Aquinas was The Bomb. However, believe it or not, he’s not the best spiritual theologian in Church history. That title really belongs to Bernard. It was Bernard who developed the theology of prayer found in the rules of Basil and Benedict. The beauty is tha there is so much in Traditional Catholic Spirituality that is not contraversial. You can have a discussion without an argument. I remember that the only arguments that we ever had in Rome was over the gender of a word in Latin, German or Spanish or over the possible meanings to the Dark Night of the Soul.

OK, I’m waking up. I guess not too many people are interested in discussing this stuff. It’s so good to dream.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Brother,
Your dream is mine.

 

[valentino]

what does recieving in the hand mean to you?Do you think there is a loss of respect?

 

[santodomingo]

what does recieving in the hand mean to you?Do you think there is a loss of respect?

Was that addressed to me? If so, you´d better send me a personal message. We don´t want to derail the thread.

 

[santodomingo]

My problem, if it can be called a problem, is that people don’t want to let go of something. By that I mean, simply accept that you can’t make others do what you want them to do. No matter how many threads you start on certain subjects, you’re going to get the same people agreeing and disagreeing with you. That’s why I don’t open threads on certain topics, because I know the answers.

I think we just need to accept that not everyone is going to agree on COTT and CITH, the EF and OF, the SSPX and just move one. After a while, if you keep bringing it up, the forum becomes boring.

I would be really nice to have threads on Traditional Catholic Spirituality. I mean, discussions on the masters of Catholic Spirituality: Augustine, Bernard, Benedict, Basil, Francis of Assisi, Francis de Sales, Teresa, Catherine, and maybe some of the Fathers. These men and women were master theologians on the spiritual life and they wrote on a variety of topics.

We can have a thread on Benedict’s love for stability, Bernard’s love of Mary, Francis of Assisi’s unquestioning obedience, Basil’s asceticism, Teresa’s contemplative prayer and so forth.

Catholic traditionalist is broader than the liturgy. There is so much more and we seem to repeat threads on liturgy, communion, the SSPX and this bishop or that parish.

I don’t know, I would like to see discussions on the classics in Catholicism. I just wish that I could impress upon other posters how interesting and how helpful this area is to us. This was my doctorate in theology and I must say that it was the fastest five-years of my life. I couldn’t get enough of this stuff. I would spend hours in the library going over copies of ancient manuscripts on subjects such as the anatomy of the soul, the power of grace, the nature of man, the difference between knowing and knowledge, and much more. The great religious families and their theologies are incredible. Most lay people only know Aquinas. Aquinas was The Bomb. However, believe it or not, he’s not the best spiritual theologian in Church history. That title really belongs to Bernard. It was Bernard who developed the theology of prayer found in the rules of Basil and Benedict. The beauty is tha there is so much in Traditional Catholic Spirituality that is not contraversial. You can have a discussion without an argument. I remember that the only arguments that we ever had in Rome was over the gender of a word in Latin, German or Spanish or over the possible meanings to the Dark Night of the Soul.

OK, I’m waking up. I guess not too many people are interested in discussing this stuff. It’s so good to dream.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Brother, this sounds fascinating!

If you´re game for it, I was thinking of starting up a thread on religious obedience. I am interested in understanding its limits and exactly what it means to live in obedience. If I start it will you jump in?

 

[maurin]

Brother JR and Santodomingo,

An observation: it appears that threads in this forum on Traditional Spirituality (the secondary title of the forum) get moved. Maybe one could enquire privately of the moderator?

I think its a great idea, Brother JR. The more I read about the Traditional Mass, the more I have been wanting to delve into the Saints’ Spiritual writings and teachings. There are some great resources on this at a prayer Forum run by some lay-Faithful attached to the Society.

Involving myself in this endeavor has calmed me down a bit, and I find I can’t wait to get home, light some candles and kneel down in the presence of God.

Thank you for your idea.

 

[white_sheep]

I’m tired of all the masturbation/sexual sin threads. It would be better if there was just another forum for that.

 

[Santi2]

My problem, if it can be called a problem, is that people don’t want to let go of something. By that I mean, simply accept that you can’t make others do what you want them to do. No matter how many threads you start on certain subjects, you’re going to get the same people agreeing and disagreeing with you. That’s why I don’t open threads on certain topics, because I know the answers.

I think we just need to accept that not everyone is going to agree on COTT and CITH, the EF and OF, the SSPX and just move one. After a while, if you keep bringing it up, the forum becomes boring.

I would be really nice to have threads on Traditional Catholic Spirituality. I mean, discussions on the masters of Catholic Spirituality: Augustine, Bernard, Benedict, Basil, Francis of Assisi, Francis de Sales, Teresa, Catherine, and maybe some of the Fathers. These men and women were master theologians on the spiritual life and they wrote on a variety of topics.

We can have a thread on Benedict’s love for stability, Bernard’s love of Mary, Francis of Assisi’s unquestioning obedience, Basil’s asceticism, Teresa’s contemplative prayer and so forth.

Catholic traditionalist is broader than the liturgy. There is so much more and we seem to repeat threads on liturgy, communion, the SSPX and this bishop or that parish.

I don’t know, I would like to see discussions on the classics in Catholicism. I just wish that I could impress upon other posters how interesting and how helpful this area is to us. This was my doctorate in theology and I must say that it was the fastest five-years of my life. I couldn’t get enough of this stuff. I would spend hours in the library going over copies of ancient manuscripts on subjects such as the anatomy of the soul, the power of grace, the nature of man, the difference between knowing and knowledge, and much more. The great religious families and their theologies are incredible. Most lay people only know Aquinas. Aquinas was The Bomb. However, believe it or not, he’s not the best spiritual theologian in Church history. That title really belongs to Bernard. It was Bernard who developed the theology of prayer found in the rules of Basil and Benedict. The beauty is tha there is so much in Traditional Catholic Spirituality that is not contraversial. You can have a discussion without an argument. I remember that the only arguments that we ever had in Rome was over the gender of a word in Latin, German or Spanish or over the possible meanings to the Dark Night of the Soul.

OK, I’m waking up. I guess not too many people are interested in discussing this stuff. It’s so good to dream.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

What a fascinating suggestion, Br JR. Please add Padre Pio. It has only been of late that I have ceased to be unafraid of him. I know how that must sound ridiculous. Must be because one is aware of personal flaws and can never measure up to his holiness.

 

[simple_soul]

My problem, if it can be called a problem, is that people don’t want to let go of something. By that I mean, simply accept that you can’t make others do what you want them to do. No matter how many threads you start on certain subjects, you’re going to get the same people agreeing and disagreeing with you. That’s why I don’t open threads on certain topics, because I know the answers.

I think we just need to accept that not everyone is going to agree on COTT and CITH, the EF and OF, the SSPX and just move one. After a while, if you keep bringing it up, the forum becomes boring.

*Dear Br. Jay,
I believe I understand what you are saying here.
One thing I believe I am beginning to understand and what I want to start trying to implement more is how God’s Truth is not something that is meant to be taught in a brainwashing kind of way. I believe it is meant to be taught in a way that allows Himself and His Truths to grow within us.
I am trying to approach it this way. I know I can not convince them I am right about anything and God knows I am not going to let them convince me about anything. I just take what they tell me and pray about it and hope and pray they do the same and that we all grow closer to God in our understandings.
I believe the reason I am trying to stick to doing this is because I have listened and watched myself make a fool out of myself too many times to count. I found out, more times than not, that when I try to convince someone of what I believe is truth, I find out later that they where the ones who were correct in their understandings and not me.
Another reason I am trying to approach it this way is because I understand that we are all in this world together and if we truly love each other we will be there for each other, helping each other through thick or thin, in our journey to God. Not condemning each other.

I believe I envision it the way St. John of the Cross describes how God breaths into us as we inhale and as we exhale we breath back into Him.
I believe He also breaths into us through each other when we do share our life’s journeys with each other.
I understand it as a communal or community thing but not quite sure how to but it all into the proper words.
I heard a story, when I was young, about a very holy monk who came back from a visit with another monk and upon inquiry as to how the trip went the monk replied that it had gone very well because he had learned something from the other monk. The individual who made the inquiry was surprised because the way he understood it was that this monk was so much more of a holy monk than the one whom he had visited. So he inquired as what he could have possibly learned from this other monk. The very holy monk simply said, “I learned the proper way to tie my sandals.”
I so believe we can all learn so much from each other and when we open our hearts and minds to understanding what others understand we actually grow in our individual understanding of God.*

I would be really nice to have threads on Traditional Catholic Spirituality. I mean, discussions on the masters of Catholic Spirituality: Augustine, Bernard, Benedict, Basil, Francis of Assisi, Francis de Sales, Teresa, Catherine, and maybe some of the Fathers. These men and women were master theologians on the spiritual life and they wrote on a variety of topics.

We can have a thread on Benedict’s love for stability, Bernard’s love of Mary, Francis of Assisi’s unquestioning obedience, Basil’s asceticism, Teresa’s contemplative prayer and so forth.

Catholic traditionalist is broader than the liturgy. There is so much more and we seem to repeat threads on liturgy, communion, the SSPX and this bishop or that parish.

I don’t know, I would like to see discussions on the classics in Catholicism. I just wish that I could impress upon other posters how interesting and how helpful this area is to us. This was my doctorate in theology and I must say that it was the fastest five-years of my life. I couldn’t get enough of this stuff. I would spend hours in the library going over copies of ancient manuscripts on subjects such as the anatomy of the soul, the power of grace, the nature of man, the difference between knowing and knowledge, and much more. The great religious families and their theologies are incredible. Most lay people only know Aquinas. Aquinas was The Bomb. However, believe it or not, he’s not the best spiritual theologian in Church history. That title really belongs to Bernard. It was Bernard who developed the theology of prayer found in the rules of Basil and Benedict. The beauty is tha there is so much in Traditional Catholic Spirituality that is not contraversial. You can have a discussion without an argument. I remember that the only arguments that we ever had in Rome was over the gender of a word in Latin, German or Spanish or over the possible meanings to the Dark Night of the Soul.

OK, I’m waking up. I guess not too many people are interested in discussing this stuff. It’s so good to dream.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

*Well, please do not wake up too soon.
I believe there are quite a few here who would love to learn about the clssics in Catholisism, myself included.

 

[Lormar]

I’m tired of all the masturbation/sexual sin threads. It would be better if there was just another forum for that.

I agree. They are disgraceful and have absolutely no place on a Catholic forum. Discuss these matters in private with a priest.

 

[pixie]

To you all,
As a long time mostly lurker user here I don’t know how you manage to reply to the same questions over and over without swearing or using my cop out of… because we do…
What I want you to know is your knowledge and research made it possible for me to bring a life long athiest home to The Church because you had all the answers that I was unsure of for every if but and why that came up.

And I can’t be the only one so Thank you all

 

[Timothy17]

I don’t see myself leaving CA, but I’m just losing interest in debating/arguing the same topics over and over.

I. Practice makes perfect.

II. If it ceases to be a joy, then still it makes for a good offering (cf. Morning Offering prayer, for example), if done for Christs’s sake and the edification of His people.

Pax Christi,
Tim

 

[zab]

To you all,
As a long time mostly lurker user here I don’t know how you manage to reply to the same questions over and over without swearing or using my cop out of… because we do…
What I want you to know is your knowledge and research made it possible for me to bring a life long athiest home to The Church because you had all the answers that I was unsure of for every if but and why that came up.

And I can’t be the only one so Thank you all

:tissues: :bighanky: You just made me change my rating on this thread again.

 

[pixie]

Oh, thanks:0)

You know as a break and maybe a breath of fresh air for you, you might start a few posts about handing on the faith to little children I feel hopeless at this and with four Godchildren I really want to, well do my job.