Ever Just Get Tired Of Debating Topics Here?

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I tend to ignore those posts which condescend instead of engage. You know aaaaaall the ones I’m talking about about.
 
How I deal with it is to go to the Liturgy and prayer sections and remind myself why I came here in the first place. :signofcross:
 
To all who continue to support CAF with their posts,

While I am educated, now retired and am a cradle Catholic I still don’t know my faith very well. I have and read probably 35-40 books on the Catholic faith and read the bible often. I check CAF every day to see if there is a thread that I’d like to know more about. I have read and reread many posts and often still have a difficult time understanding the circular arguments used by many, many individuals who don’t, can’t, or won’t accept what I and many believe is the honest truth given to us by God.

It is very difficult for many to understand why the truth is so difficult to see and accept. I accept but I admit that my mind is not as perhaps sharp as others and I can not always follow the twisted thinking of some of the posters. " Peter you are Rock and upon this Rock I will build my Church." Can that be any clearer??? Yet many still don’t, can’t or won’t see the truth in those words. There ways of thinking, and reasoning are very twisted, far removed, and difficult to understand. So you see it is very important for many to try and understand just why some minds think as they do. To do that I have to read reply’s over and over from many different points of view. With enough reading I soon begin to understand some of the twisted thought process that some posters use to thwart the truths of the Catholic Faith.

Please don’t give up. What many of you do is very important and does lead to greater understanding of the faith. There are many lurkers who greatly benefit from your continued efforts.

God Bless,
TeJay
 
At_Trent said:
I don’t see myself leaving CA, but I’m just losing interest in debating/arguing the same topics over and over.

I suppose others get tired of it too, as some of the regulars are seldom seen posting here lately.

Is it like everything else, you just get tired or need a break ?
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Hello Trent,

With me its a little of both - tired and need a break. Additionally, sometimes I feel that I’m about to loose my peace and so I decide that it is not worth it.

At times I feel inspired to answer and to help others with what are sometimes simple and/or complex issues. If I have the knowledge or expertise, I (try to) help. It’s not always appreciated and that’s ok…I don’t do it for self-satisfaction or a compulsion towards argument and dispute.

It often times makes me so…sick & tired that I just log-off and go pray.

Aquiesce anima mea in Deus salus mea.
 
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SaintGobban:
This a an internet message board.

As such, anyone can claim to have any background, credentials, titles, degrees, etc. etc. that one wishes, and that information is completely unverifiable and highly suspect…

So that means, in most people’s rational minds, there are no clergy or religious in an internet website/chatroom/message board.

There are merely people who lay claim to superior knowledge or respect.

There may be religious people hanging out on the internet all day, but I very seriously doubt it.

In any case, my title is Saint, so I guess that trumps Fr. Br. Sister, Deacon, or whatever other computer chat name someone here comes up with.,
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You should give them the benefit of the doubt. The key is to be respectful of all posters, whether you agree with them or not. Part of that is accepting the fact that none of us have all of the answers, but we do the best we can with what limited faculties we are given. If you continually disrespect clergy, you run the risk of being suspended or banned.
 
StTommyMore said:
You should give them the benefit of the doubt. The key is to be respectful of all posters, whether you agree with them or not. Part of that is accepting the fact that none of us have all of the answers, but we do the best we can with what limited faculties we are given. If you continually disrespect clergy, you run the risk of being suspended or banned.
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And that’s all I was saying. Thank you, StTommyMore.
 
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SaintGobban:
StTommy ALWAYS seems to have at least one sidekick, last thread it was Sirach2, who jumps in a minute or two after his post and co-signs. This thread it’s Fireman. Wonder just how many identities this person has.

That is another constant in internet chat/message boards. The person with several identites that picks a victim and bullies them, as if several people were in complete agreement against this person.

Oh you think that, so do I! Oh I do too!!! Me too!!. Me too.!!. Yes they’re so rude aren’t they? Oh yes, they’re very rude!! Oh they should be banned!! Oh Yes, let’s ban them!!
Oh, I know let’s put them on ignore. Oh, I already have. Oh yes, me too…and on and on. How many times have I seen this same exact game… blah blah blah

So much more powerful when you, and I’m talking to the singular you here, are a group, and/or can claim a title.

Same old, same old.

This exact same gambit has been run hundreds of times that I’ve seen.
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This is my only active identity. I do have friends, but that is mostly because I at least make the attempt to be charitable, even if it is something I feel strongly about. I don’t always succeed, but I do try.
 
Well the moderators would know if we were the same person and I bet they know we are not. Now let’s be charitable and stick with the OP, shall we?
 
StTommyMore said:
You should give them the benefit of the doubt. The key is to be respectful of all posters, whether you agree with them or not. Part of that is accepting the fact that none of us have all of the answers, but we do the best we can with what limited faculties we are given. If you continually disrespect clergy, you run the risk of being suspended or banned.
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And above that disrespect Jesus Christ who operates through the clergy
 
At_Trent said:
I don’t see myself leaving CA, but I’m just losing interest in debating/arguing the same topics over and over.

I suppose others get tired of it too, as some of the regulars are seldom seen posting here lately.

Is it like everything else, you just get tired or need a break ?
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*Well, speaking for myself, I would not say I ever really get tired.
Sometimes I get a really bad taste in my mouth that reminds me of lead…
Other times I just get really, really, really discouraged…
I believe it is my pride that causes this.
The reason is I believe because I tend to be a very impatient soul. I want to understand everything about good and evil right now so that I can be aware of what exactly is evil so that I can avoid it.
What I am finding out is every time I “think” I understand I realize how much I do not understand still and when I realize how I had tricked myself into believing I understood it hurts my pride to realize and accept that I really do not understand.
In this process I have realized that I am also very impatient with others. Whether they are trying to teach me or what I “think” I am trying to teach them. In this impatience the bad taste and discouragement manifests it’s self and the “ugly” side of me lashes out.
What I believe I am beginning to understand is I have to have patience with myself. I will not understand God all at once. I have to let Him reveal Himself and His Truths to me in His time and at His pace. I believe He knows how much of His Truth’s, how much of Himself, I can handle, and I need to trust Him and His judgment of this.
The more I dwell on this the more I am convinced that it is all about trusting God and being patient not only with ourselves but each other and not take it so “personally” when we find out we have misunderstood something or got something wrong, or when we believe someone else has misunderstood something or gotten it wrong, but humbly accept that we are all imperfect and that God in His time with us letting Him and working with Him will perfect us in His Truths.
The reason I say “believe some one else has misunderstood or gotten it wrong” is because I am all to familiar with “thinking” this and realizing later on down the road that it was I who was actually misunderstanding and getting it wrong instead of them.
So I believe having trust in God, patience and humility keeps me from that bad taste in my mouth or that really, really discourage feeling that likes to rear it’s ugly head…

I beleive at times I might tend to want to “brainwash” or “program” myself or others, much like a computer, into understanding God and His Truths. But I believe what I am begining to grasp is that God’s Truths, God Himself, needs to organically grow in me. I just need to allow Him to and then nurture and treasure all of Him. Not only in myself, but in others as well.

Anyway I do not know if this makes any sense…just some thoughts I have been dwelling on lately and when I saw your thread title I thought I would share…
I do hope and pray it makes some sense…*
 
At_Trent said:
I don’t see myself leaving CA, but I’m just losing interest in debating/arguing the same topics over and over.

I suppose others get tired of it too, as some of the regulars are seldom seen posting here lately.

Is it like everything else, you just get tired or need a break ?
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Yes, I get tired of it. It doesn’t engender an increase in either humility or charity. Also, it probably has assisted in turning a few souls away from rather than towards our Church.

What is the point of arguing about everything all of the time?
 
StTommyMore said:
Part of that is accepting the fact that none of us have all of the answers
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The problem sometimes is that there are those who think that they have all the answers, and that their answer is the only way.

We should recognize the Church as the authority on everything, that what we say is our opinion. If we say one thing and the Church does another, then we should be humbe enough to accept that what we put forth is just opinion.
 
Lormar said:
What is the point of arguing about everything all of the time?
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People have the belief, and I among them sometimes, that arguments on the Internet can truly be won. That hardly ever happens though. The Internet isn’t a court of law; there is no judge or jury. Arguing is usually pointless. However, I have seen (on here) people more open to the facts after they are presented. It can help sometimes I suppose.
 
Lormar said:
Yes, I get tired of it. It doesn’t engender an increase in either humility or charity. Also, **it probably has assisted in turning a few souls away from rather than towards our Church. **What is the point of arguing about everything all of the time?
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Bold is mine.

This has always been one of my fears too. If I were courting a girl and everytime I met her family they were fighting, I would feel very uncomfortable and unsure about joining that family.

When a non Catholic sees Catholics going on and on about everything that the Catholic Church has done wrong and everything that the popes have not said, not done, should have done, should not have done and the literature tells me that Catholics acknowledge papal authority, even when he does not speak infallibly, it’s a very confusing picture. It raises real questions. Do these people really respect and love this man as their leader or is this just lip service that looks good in print, but is not practiced? I think it must be even more confusing when the pope comes to town and all the Catholics go “gaga” after ranting about everything he’s done wrong. We must look as if we’re one clown short of a circus.

It would be nice to see Catholics say, “You know what? For all of our faults, Catholics are good people. Our clergy and religious do make great efforts to sort out the insanity of the world in which we live. Our laity are good parents and spouses. Like any other large family, we hve issues, but we have more strengths than weaknesses and more saints than sinners. I truly believe that this is true.”

I see lay people, religious and clergy do amazing things for God and the Church, everyday. I’m in a very large archdiocese with about 300 priests and I don’t know how many deacons. We have about 100 religious brothers and about 200 religious sisters, at least one monastery of enclosed nuns and almost one million lay Catholics. The number of lose canons that I have seen during the nine-years that I’ve been here are four. Eccentrics, we have many. There are a few grumpies in there too. But when I stand back and look at the big picture, I see real human beings, with real human strengths and weaknesses.

Yes, there are priests who can’t seem to follow the rubrics in the missal. There are spouses who can’t seem to find time for each other and parents who think that Nintento is a Japanese word for Nanny. All of these people, together, make up the people of God. Overall, we’re good people with a few spots. 😛

I bet it’s the same in every diocese around the world.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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