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Why? Why can you take a relationship about a single attribute of a physical object within our universe, and say that it applies to a completely different attribute of all physical objects, such that a composite of these things has the same requirement? As I said before, you need to define how you can be sure that this follows. “Why not?” is not a credible answer.Nonsense. The nature of color is such that placing two things of the same color together does not change them. The nature of weight is such that placing two things of the same weight together does change the weight of the whole. Why? That is simply the nature of weight and the nature of color. So what, then is the case as this applies to causation? Surely, it is more like the case of color.
Duh - this is kinda what the Fallacy of Composition is all about - to prevent such reasoning without good evidence that it’s true.No experiment is necessary because we know about the nature of the thing. If every single thing in our experience and the universe is caused why should we be forced to stop such reasoning when we get to the whole?
If Feser can’t understand a simple concept like where the burden of proof lies, then I won’t bother to look him up. This is just one more person saying, “You must prove I’m wrong, or accept that I’m right.”This seems a perfectly natural extension of such reasoning and, Fesar remarks (if I read him right), then burden is on the skeptic to show that each of these things, caused, put together, suddenly become caused. (He made the point in respect to the PSR, but it seems effective here too).
One more time, for those who’ve been asleep. The burden of proof lies with whoever makes the positive claim.
No, I’m not suggesting that at all, nor have I come even close to implying it. You’re just putting words in my mouth. Did you even read what I wrote?-Are you seriously suggesting that putting two caused things together makes them uncaused? This seems more like a desperate attempt to escape the force of the argument than anything else.
What I am stating (not suggesting) is that you can’t look at the objects within our universe and blithely apply an arbitrary property of them to the composition of their whole, just because it suits your purpose (Well, you can, I suppose, if you don’t care about being taken seriously). You have to show that this property applies to the composition.
You seem to be saying, in a nutshell, “The Fallacy of Composition doesn’t apply here, because I reckon it doesn’t.”
But the Fallacy of Composition isn’t even the main weakness of the KCA. There are all the other fallacies I listed upthread.