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Interesting… Care to elaborate further?
 
“Birthdays are for others”, God says,“I haven’t one !”

But Love is what its all about, interpersonal love relationships
 
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There was always everything, including your God.
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Were you ‘always’? If so, how can you demonstrate that this is the case? (Note that the question isn’t “were the physical atoms which make up ‘you’ always present?” – which itself is a question we might dispute, but nevertheless, is an easier assertion to make than the one you originally attempted.)
 
Everything, that we can prove, is the rearrangement of somethings.
Only stories of something from nothing.
That the big bang came from nothing, to me, doesn’t ring of true.
An answer i can think of is that it came from previous matter.
We know that our big bang is expanding.
What if other big bangs had expanded into complete seperation?
Now, there would be a great sea of matter, including floating massive
black holes.
Gradually, gravity would pull some available matter into a new unit.
This capturing of matter would continue until a critical point
is reached, then explode into a new big bang.
Infinity, to me, is full of pulsating big bangs.
With this, there no need of a story of a creator and all the misery that
those stories bring. We are in charge of our own evolving selves.
 
younique said:
That the big bang came from nothing, to me, doesn’t ring of true.
An answer i can think of is that it came from previous matter.
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So… Where did the matter from the previous Big Bang come from then? And the one before that? And the one before that? You’re presupposing the eternal existence of matter without any physical evidence.
younique said:
With this, there no need of a story of a creator and all the misery that
those stories bring.
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I dunno, being told that you are literally nothing more than a collection of atoms and a series of chemical reactions sounds pretty miserable to me as opposed to knowing that there is God who provides meaning to an otherwise dead universe.
 
younique said:
With this, there no need of a story of a creator and all the misery that
those stories bring. We are in charge of our own evolving selves.
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Ahh, there we go – the real motivation here! “I don’t need a creator! I create myself!”
younique said:
Everything, that we can prove, is the rearrangement of somethings.
Only stories of something from nothing.
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If you can’t prove that the “somethings” always existed, then you just have stories of the existence of somethings from eternity. 😉
 
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You cannot have a world existing in time/space, with a long chain of cause and effect, without having something or someone as First Cause or Prime Mover. (And if you try to say there is no cause and effect, don’t pretend you are all about science!)

As for birthdays, Jesus the Son does have one. It just did not take place at the beginning of His existence. (But normally babies do exist for nine months plus a year before they have their first birthdays, of course.)

There never was a time when God was not, and there never was an eternity outside time/space that did not have Him. But time and space had a beginning and will have an end, as we read in Genesis and Revelation.

At the end of the world, time/space will be recreated in a new redeemed way, which will be eternal while still material (in some mysterious way similar to the resurrected Jesus and our resurrection bodies), and that is what is called “the new heavens and the new earth.” himself

So the OP is getting ahead of himself, but hopefully will be around with us to enjoy a really eternal Creation!
 
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younique said:
Everything, that we can prove, is the rearrangement of somethings.
Only stories of something from nothing.
That the big bang came from nothing, to me, doesn’t ring of true.
An answer i can think of is that it came from previous matter.
We know that our big bang is expanding.
What if other big bangs had expanded into complete seperation?
Now, there would be a great sea of matter, including floating massive
black holes.
Gradually, gravity would pull some available matter into a new unit.
This capturing of matter would continue until a critical point
is reached, then explode into a new big bang.
Infinity, to me, is full of pulsating big bangs.
With this, there no need of a story of a creator and all the misery that
those stories bring. We are in charge of our own evolving selves.
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You might be interested in studying other types of cosmological arguments for God which don’t assume or even try to prove a beginning of creation. God is argued to be a necessary creator for each moment of existence.
 
You’re presupposing the eternal existence of god, without any physical evidence.
 
younique said:
You’re presupposing the eternal existence of god, without any physical evidence.
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Do you require physical evidence for the concept of love? Why should a supernatural non-physical being have to have physical evidence proving its existence?
 
Hm? No, that’s not how those arguments work. That there must be something eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, etc… is what they demonstrate.
 
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younique:
That the big bang came from nothing, to me, doesn’t ring of true.
An answer i can think of is that it came from previous matter.
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So… Where did the matter from the previous Big Bang come from then? And the one before that? And the one before that? You’re presupposing the eternal existence of matter without any physical evidence.
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This universe is not eternal. It began at a specific point in our time. All other options are on tbe table for consideration. Including yours.

I won’t ask what came before the big bang because it’s a nonsensical question. But to ask what is on the other side of the point at which we can determine physical reality began is not.

An eternal existence is not an invalid option. Eternity doesn’t stop. There is no start. So if you ask me what the cause was (i.e. what started it), it’s a nonsensical question.
 
I think what you’re saying is that the existence of Gd does not depend on science. And you are correct. Does the existence of Gd depend on reason? Only partially, I suppose. Mostly, the existence of Gd depends on faith. Your theory of creation (or non-creation), however, is bound by scientific evidence, is it not? Or is it mainly a product of philosophical thought and reason?
 
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That is an interesting statement. As in, we are all the universe? We are all an expression of God?
 
My universe is infinite. With your stated - a beginning - where is the beginning wall?
Hubble captured light that travelled 13 billion years. Is that getting close to the wall?
How long before this did your perfect god create his imperfections?
 
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